[JackieW]

I'd take a guess that every  pole manufacturer will eventually have the 'tubeless' idea  fitted as standard to their ranges.

Maybe even the inline, inpole valve as standard.

 Or at the least offer it as an option, in which case people could then refuse it and carry on as before.

[SeanK]

I'd take a guess that every  pole manufacturer will eventually have the 'tubeless' idea  fitted as standard to their ranges.

Maybe even the inline, inpole valve as standard.

 Or at the least offer it as an option, in which case people could then refuse it and carry on as before.

Why ?  Gardiner poles sell well because they do what they need to do at a reasonable price from their budget range up,
they don't add silly gimmicks that one in a hundred/thousand might find useful but will up the price of the pole to everybody.
I will go a step further and predict that unless other pole manufacturers get their act together there will only be one
manufacturer in the UK so whatever they do will be standard.

[richard groves]

When I started wfp cleaning it was with a universal gf pole, vikan brush, 1/2" hose on a hoselock reel and leaky plastic hoselock fittings, most of this was bought from a well known supplier.
How times change !
microbore has become common place
rectus fittings
lateral clamps
carbon fiber
specific brushes
modular poles
triggers
taps on belts
flow controllers
to name a few, I could go on...........

Some of these have become the standard, some personal choices,
but the point is none of these would have been  available to the mass market without the initial idea and somebody willing to innovate and take the chance on their ideas.

I really cannot understand the people who feel the need to run others ideas down.
Stevens concept of  a tubeless kit for other manufacturers poles maybe genius or go the way of the dodo.
I think I'm with Jackie W on this one but only time will tell.

[richard groves]

And I am not one in a hundred/thousand who think this way.
the very fact that threads like this have been posted and talked and asked about would seem to prove otherwise.

[SeanK]

Barry the vast majority of innovation goes nowhere in all walks of life, don't confuse somebody that's says it how
it is about a product as somebody who's putting down an innovator/ inventor.
The reasons you have given for somebody to use a so called tubeless pole which isn't really tubeless are something I cant
see most needing or wanting so unfortunately that's why its a failure in my books, if that turns out to be wrong then fair play
but I would rather somebody was honest with me and be wrong than somebody not telling me how they see it because they are
afraid to hurt my feelings or feeling it was disloyal.

[tlwcs]

so the pole hose will stay on your reel of microbore and you simply plug it into your pole?

so i could just have one pole hose for multiple poles(say 50 feet length to accommodate xtreme 47).

it seems like a good idea but what about changing brushes and goosenecks during your working day?i use all gardiner poles,brushes and goosenecks.

this and the uni-valve could be the ultimate in water control and ease of use.

Positive

my experience with rectus 21 fittings is they pop off at times.if your tugging the hose a lot to turn your water on/off 100 times a day im not sure how long they will last plus  you ll be constantly connecting and disconnecting it every time you put your pole in the van.if using hot water and the o ring fittings on the uni-valve, i can see them also popping off and leaking inside the pole as its being pulled 100s of times over the course of a week putting extra strain on them.

all these extra fittings on the pole hose inside the pole will cause problems and extra faffing around IMO in real day to day use.

i might be wrong though!

Negative.
All within 45 mins lol

[richard groves]

Barry the vast majority of innovation goes nowhere in all walks of life, don't confuse somebody that's says it how
it is about a product as somebody who's putting down an innovator/ inventor.
The reasons you have given for somebody to use a so called tubeless pole which isn't really tubeless are something I cant
see most needing or wanting so unfortunately that's why its a failure in my books, if that turns out to be wrong then fair play
but I would rather somebody was honest with me and be wrong than somebody not telling me how they see it because they are
afraid to hurt my feelings or feeling it was disloyal.

Thanks for explaining Sean, I do understand where your coming from better.
I only gave one or two positives to how it could work for me but there are others as Steven has already mentioned and Dazmond has picked up on.
I'm not trying to add fuel to the fire but you could apply the same reasoning to Gardiners quick lock system and regard it as an unnecessary gimmick - whats wrong with a universal screw thread and socket ?
there is no right or wrong, we'll just agree to differ 

[tonycarr]

great idea steve, just took advantage of you`re introductory offer and ordered 2 conversion kits for my gardiner poles, always liked the idea of tubeless but never followed it up because i like to use taps on the end of my poles, but now with you`re new  uni-valve i won`t need the taps.

two main advantages for me will be not having all that hose hanging around above the reels, as is tends to get in the way when im reeling in, sometimes i chuck the hose over the top of the door to keep it up out off the way when im winding in only to forget iv done it and shut it in the door....(for me its just hassle)

the second advantage for me will be being able to shorten my pole instantly, at the moment if im working on my own its fine as i`ll  use the wifes 22ft with tap on end of pole and whip the 31ft out when i need it, but when were both working i get to use my 31ft all day as she uses the 22,  using the 31 all day can get a bit cumbersome, not so much because of the weight, but working in tight spaces can be a pain

so for me its a win win situation, well done steve

STEVE......will you be doing an introductory offer on the UNI-VALVES when they become available?

tony

[G & M]

Personally I like the idea of the tubeless system but the price seems a bit dear to me especially when you convert to euros. I have used and continue to use the aqua dapter and will definitely use the uni valve.  Will you be offering a discount for both Steve?

[matthewprice]

I also have ordered a kit .but I was wondering if it will work with a gooseneck.

[duncan h]

I tell you all now. No bull. Its a fantastic system. !!!
When you want to change poles it drips for 2 seconds only. Remember it had a very short length of thin hose in 1 section only.
His rectus is inside the pole and lasts forever. I used to go through them like mad, catching curbs etc. Really peed me off. At near £5 each time. I have saved loads

Downside
You have to wind in 8/6mm hose and pole hose in 1. Its not as bendy as micro/minibore.

[dazmond]

so the pole hose will stay on your reel of microbore and you simply plug it into your pole?

so i could just have one pole hose for multiple poles(say 50 feet length to accommodate xtreme 47).

it seems like a good idea but what about changing brushes and goosenecks during your working day?i use all gardiner poles,brushes and goosenecks.

this and the uni-valve could be the ultimate in water control and ease of use.

Positive

my experience with rectus 21 fittings is they pop off at times.if your tugging the hose a lot to turn your water on/off 100 times a day im not sure how long they will last plus  you ll be constantly connecting and disconnecting it every time you put your pole in the van.if using hot water and the o ring fittings on the uni-valve, i can see them also popping off and leaking inside the pole as its being pulled 100s of times over the course of a week putting extra strain on them.

all these extra fittings on the pole hose inside the pole will cause problems and extra faffing around IMO in real day to day use.

i might be wrong though!

Negative.
All within 45 mins lol

i like to weigh things up mate.pros and cons.

[kempy]

Is SeanK against the tubeless innovation ? , lol

Personally it's looks good and the Uni-valve will be awesome .

Just embrace innovation , if you don't like it or don't agree with it , then just buy something else ?

[SeanK]

Is SeanK against the tubeless innovation ? , lol

Personally it's looks good and the Uni-valve will be awesome .

Just embrace innovation , if you don't like it or don't agree with it , then just buy something else ?

I'm not for or against it, it does what its intended to do unlike some products its just a product that I think most wont
need or want.

[SeanK]

Will give the Uni-valve a try though that's if I haven't retired before its release.

[steven jones]

Will give the Uni-valve a try though that's if I haven't retired before its release.

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