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dazmond

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pump problem(again!)
« on: March 25, 2014, 05:58:14 pm »
crappy day today.worked all day in the pouring rain!its been relentless here in the north west! >:(

whats happening is i have to have my pump on full blast on my digital controller to get even a moderate flow at brush end.the pump is not shutting off when i turn my tap off at pole end for ages(about a min,,sometimes longer).then even though pump on full im getting a dribble at brush end sometimes.

pump and controller are about 18 months old.battery about 6 months old.it was working fine yesterday!i must of wasted an hour today faffing around with it.

ive changed the fuse and cleaned out the filter but to no avail.battery fully charged reading 12.6.

i tried to set up AUTOCAL but it kept coming up ERR(error) so i tried to adjust it manually and it made no difference whatsoever.i also unreeled all 100m of hose and checked for kinks.none!

could it be a faulty connector to inside reel?air in the system?

i must admit it was frustrating me today as well as getting drenched by the constant downpours!! >:( >:(

any ideas lads?
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Clever Forum Name

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Re: pump problem(again!)
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2014, 06:10:16 pm »
Have you connected the pump straight to the battery without a controller?

TomCrowther

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Re: pump problem(again!)
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2014, 06:18:56 pm »
I would disconnect the reel and run the pump for a minute then reconnect. Then try to recallibrate with your extreme 47 fully extended.
If no joy, fit a new controller.

Spruce

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Re: pump problem(again!)
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2014, 06:35:17 pm »
If you have a stop cock on the tank, have you opened it completely.

Start at the van port. When you put your connector in does the water flow and the pump run correctly? If it does, what happens if you restrict the flow slightly with your tumb? Does the pressure build up? What is flashing up on the controller?

If its fine then there is something from the van ports out. If you still have the problem, then you have to start at the tank and check everything from there including your battery. Can you connect your pump and controller up to your van battery and try it?

Its a process of elimination.
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Ian Sheppard

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Re: pump problem(again!)
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2014, 07:06:56 pm »
I would agree with Spruce here it is unfortunately a process of elimination. The fact the control is not dead ending the pump very quickly suggests that either the calibration is set very high or there is some kind of obstruction/Air in the system somewhere.

High Cal setting will mean it takes much longer for the control to stop the pump as it will allow pressure to build for longer. Spruces point about checking if pressure is building up is a good one.
The fact the control displays the ERR message when trying to Cal would also so suggest a blockage.

The main drivers for creating pressure in your system are the pump , Hose line, Jets. Have yoiu changed the jets recently or the hose?

Has the hose reel a non return valve? I did coma across a case recently where this was the case and the valve had jammed.
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Mike #1

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Re: pump problem(again!)
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2014, 07:16:11 pm »
Dazmond change all connections including the inlet and outlet connection on your Pump Box either a hozelock connection has become worn or an O ring is worn on the pump box connectors .

I have changed all of mine at sometime or other as a result of the issues you have mentioned and it has always solved the problem . Mike

Michael Peterson

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Re: pump problem(again!)
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2014, 07:17:33 pm »
as above, what i would do first, is
1.run the pump straight from the battery and see if this helps at all
2. often when the pump is still going after the flow had been turned off, its actually the battery not giving enough power to reach the correct pressure.
3.after both of these i would have a look at your pressure switch which is really common as well, some are adjustable most are not, you can replace them from maplins though.

about a year ago and countless pumps from all suppliers, we changed to 12v 100psi pumps (like backpack pumps) from china at £11 each, they have never broken and give us as good a flow as anything we have used (we use a fast flow and fan jets staight from the battery no controller) now days i would never buy a "proper pump" we have four of these pumps and every one is class  

dazmond

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Re: pump problem(again!)
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2014, 07:28:39 pm »
cheers guys.thanks a lot.ill try changing connectors but first ill disconnect the side of reel and put back in tank just in case theres air in the system and run the pump full blast for a min or so.thats one thing ive not done today!
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lee_dewing

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Re: pump problem(again!)
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2014, 08:00:35 pm »
Michael have you a link for those pumps seen pumps i think around £40 from marine websites.

Good luck Daz i remember a problem for me for my pump was air getting into pump sounded like a squeaky shopping trolley was rectus fitting on hose reel.

I'd check all fittings hozle lock rectus all the way to the pole.
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Re: pump problem(again!)
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2014, 08:34:10 pm »
Air in the system- I guarantee you! ;)

Either within your pump box or in the DI vessels or both. The pump doesn't cut off because the air in the vessels gets compressed (whereas water doesn't compress). Did you get a "splurge" on reconnection then the flow died down to very low?

Michael Peterson

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Re: pump problem(again!)
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2014, 06:12:24 am »
thats an excellent point win pro, i have seen that before in the past with a splurge and then a slow, never knew it was air

Michael Peterson

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Re: pump problem(again!)
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2014, 06:15:55 am »

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Dave Willis

Re: pump problem(again!)
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2014, 07:45:19 am »
Air getting in the strainer or feed pipe to pump - probably got a bubble caught in the bend to pump too.

Michael Peterson

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Re: pump problem(again!)
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2014, 03:52:04 pm »
Strainer is always the bloody culprit lol or the t spliter if you rub multiple hoses make sure them jubali clips are tight if you double then up then you will be steady away

dazmond

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Re: pump problem(again!)
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2014, 05:53:03 pm »
all sorted!i moved pumpbox off the top of my tank,tightened a few clips going in and out of the pump,changed inlet and outlet connectors.

working fine now!nice strong flow!i was getting air in the system.having the pump higher than the tank was the problem methinks. ;) ;D

cheers guys


dazmond
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Re: pump problem(again!)
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2014, 05:59:02 pm »
all sorted!i moved pumpbox off the top of my tank,tightened a few clips going in and out of the pump,changed inlet and outlet connectors.

working fine now!nice strong flow!i was getting air in the system.having the pump higher than the tank was the problem methinks. ;) ;D

cheers guys


dazmond

I used to get it regular as my pump box is higher than the tank (just) but I fitted a non-return valve in the pipe just after the tank outlet & it sorted it!! ;)