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G.W.C

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1247kg payload... max tank size?
« on: February 09, 2014, 05:10:19 pm »
thinking about getting a Trafic SL 29 2.0dCi 115 for my next van.i will be setting up a 2 man system and be used for window cleaning only.what will be the biggest tank I can have legally?im guessing around the 800 litre mark

Steve foster

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Re: 1247kg payload... max tank size?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2014, 05:28:48 pm »
Try to find out what the rear axle weight is from the vin plate. If it will take 800kg directly about the axle then sticking an 800ltr tank behind the bulkhead should be ok.
I have the 2.0 Vivaro with a 500ltr tank, but only a one man setup.

wpclean

Re: 1247kg payload... max tank size?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2014, 05:31:40 pm »
Have that van, and purefreedom fitted 650 ltr two man system, love the van, just like driving a car ;D

Scrimble

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Re: 1247kg payload... max tank size?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2014, 06:36:50 pm »
depending on what else you carry, i.e heater ladders etc and 3 fattys up front you could be overweight with 650l tank,

If it was my van I'd stick a 650l tank in, but if your mainly commercial i'd fit a proper baffled 800l tank not a moulded wydale tank,

Simon Mess

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Re: 1247kg payload... max tank size?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2014, 06:55:14 pm »
650l for 2 operators.

SherwoodCleaningSe

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Re: 1247kg payload... max tank size?
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2014, 09:31:06 pm »
I've got pretty much the same van except the Nissan variety and am changing over the 650 tank I have in there to an 850.  When you look at the figures the van should just about take it with 2 operatives as well, but it doesn't leave much space for extra gear.  Of course you don't need to brim the tank every time you go out and if you do have a big job on you could leave some unneeded stuff at home to cut down on weight.  I would say 850 is pretty much the limit though unless your a solo operator but then you probably wouldn't need such a big tank.

Simon.

Simon Mess

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Re: 1247kg payload... max tank size?
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2014, 10:05:14 pm »
I've got pretty much the same van except the Nissan variety and am changing over the 650 tank I have in there to an 850.  When you look at the figures the van should just about take it with 2 operatives as well, but it doesn't leave much space for extra gear.  Of course you don't need to brim the tank every time you go out and if you do have a big job on you could leave some unneeded stuff at home to cut down on weight.  I would say 850 is pretty much the limit though unless your a solo operator but then you probably wouldn't need such a big tank.

Simon.

That depends on which figures you are looking at, and whether or not you read or pay any attention to posts on here regarding payloads, gvw, and weighbridges.

My transit connect has a 900kg payload, i have a 500l tank of water, a couple of poles and not much else, yet when i went over a weighbridge with a full tank i was 40kg under the gvw. My water accounted for just over 55% of my payload.

On a recent post here, pure h20 had his vauxhall combo over a weighbridge. 787kg payload, 350l tank plus ladders and other bits and pieces and he was 95kg under the gvw. The water in that instance is only 44.5% of the payload.

A 650l tank in your primastar, or the renault trafic in question, would account for just over 52% of the payload which is a similar percentage to mine. But an 850l tank will be just over 68% of the payload, so it really wouldnt be wise to fit one, unless you know for a fact that you have the extra 200kg to spare. The only way you will know this is if you have been on a weighbridge with a full 650l tank and both operators.


SherwoodCleaningSe

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Re: 1247kg payload... max tank size?
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2014, 11:00:41 pm »
Going to a weighbridge is always a good idea. You need to also take into account everything on the van not just equipment but fuel ladder rack ply lining ect. 850 is at the limit for me. Of course weight of operatives is also a factor.

Simon.

Paul Coleman

Re: 1247kg payload... max tank size?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2014, 05:45:28 am »
I have a very similar van (1.9 and 100 DCI though).  I have 800 litre tank and sole (fattish) operator.  If carrying all my kit with a full tank, I would se slightly overloaded.  However, I do carry a fair bit of kit.  If I ever need a full tank (rare), I remove some kit and let diesel run low.

dd

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Re: 1247kg payload... max tank size?
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2014, 08:35:30 am »
I've got pretty much the same van except the Nissan variety and am changing over the 650 tank I have in there to an 850.  When you look at the figures the van should just about take it with 2 operatives as well, but it doesn't leave much space for extra gear.  Of course you don't need to brim the tank every time you go out and if you do have a big job on you could leave some unneeded stuff at home to cut down on weight.  I would say 850 is pretty much the limit though unless your a solo operator but then you probably wouldn't need such a big tank.

Simon.
I do not think percentages is the correct way to work it out.

For me ideally you would add 400kg to tank size to work out what your payload needs to be for a single operator.

For a two man setup add 500kg. Although as has been stated just because you have a large tank does not mean you have to fill it to the brim. In fact it is easier to leave some spare if you fill from a static.

That depends on which figures you are looking at, and whether or not you read or pay any attention to posts on here regarding payloads, gvw, and weighbridges.

My transit connect has a 900kg payload, i have a 500l tank of water, a couple of poles and not much else, yet when i went over a weighbridge with a full tank i was 40kg under the gvw. My water accounted for just over 55% of my payload.

On a recent post here, pure h20 had his vauxhall combo over a weighbridge. 787kg payload, 350l tank plus ladders and other bits and pieces and he was 95kg under the gvw. The water in that instance is only 44.5% of the payload.

A 650l tank in your primastar, or the renault trafic in question, would account for just over 52% of the payload which is a similar percentage to mine. But an 850l tank will be just over 68% of the payload, so it really wouldnt be wise to fit one, unless you know for a fact that you have the extra 200kg to spare. The only way you will know this is if you have been on a weighbridge with a full 650l tank and both operators.



Clever Forum Name

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Re: 1247kg payload... max tank size?
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2014, 08:52:23 am »
I know of a primstar. With two wydale tanks. 400L

They were overloaded by a good 150kg.

That was your basic twin man setup.

I think the key here is the frame. Big frame could eat some payload up.

Smudger

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Re: 1247kg payload... max tank size?
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2014, 08:53:11 am »
Percentages is too subjective for an accurate measure of being overweight or not.

Personally on trotting up everything 850 is a bit close but doable I'd settle for 750
This would easily do 2 operators all day on regular work.

Do you have to pay to use a weigh bridge ?

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Scrimble

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Re: 1247kg payload... max tank size?
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2014, 09:21:01 am »
Percentages is too subjective for an accurate measure of being overweight or not.

Personally on trotting up everything 850 is a bit close but doable I'd settle for 750
This would easily do 2 operators all day on regular work.

Do you have to pay to use a weigh bridge ?

Darran

I use the weigh bridge at a local scrap metal place, they dont charge

kempy

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Re: 1247kg payload... max tank size?
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2014, 09:38:24 am »
I got pulled in with a 650 litre pure freedom system in my transit 260 , way over I was . Had to dump water etc .
260 transit has payload of about 1150

So 650 litres -650 kg
Pure freedom cage - ??kg
Water within the RO and filters and DI - 100 litre inc the weight of containers
Gas bottle weight
Shelving
Poles
Reels are heavy x2
X2 persons
1/2 tank a fuel
Ladder rack
Ladders on top
A FRAME LADDER
Bits and bats

I bet there's loads of Wfp persons out there that are way over .

I now bought a transit T300 - 3000 kg , fully ladened I'm about 2900 .

Free to use the weigh bridge once or twice .


SherwoodCleaningSe

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Re: 1247kg payload... max tank size?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2014, 12:02:20 pm »
I know of a primstar. With two wydale tanks. 400L

They were overloaded by a good 150kg.

That was your basic twin man setup.

I think the key here is the frame. Big frame could eat some payload up.

Was it the 2.7 or 2.9 primastar tgere is 200kg difference in the payload.

Simon.

Clever Forum Name

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Re: 1247kg payload... max tank size?
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2014, 12:24:15 pm »
280 transits have a payload of 1100 - 1200

260 is around 1050 so no wonder you were over.

2.9 had 1250 payload (vivaro shape)