[Spot On cleaning]

I agree with Gary about borrowing info from the Dyson advert, as it's spot on and gives the customers something to think about.

To a certain extent i also agree with Arthur as well. Dry fusions is okay with a maintenance clean, but i would'nt hold much hope of this system cleaning an absolutely stinking carpet., and yes i have seen the system in action. This system is a low cost one and easy enough for people to get hold of when starting up inbusiness. If the product was that successful, then every carpet cleaner would use it.

Prochem also classed this method of cleaning as maintenance with hwe used for restoration, but when questioned, agreed that hwe is universal and could be used across the board, whether maintenance or restoration.

Also i did a job for a customer who had a clean with dry fusion. She had to sign a waver first of all. Whl'st she was initially happy, after i cleaned it using hwe using my then portable, she was more than impressed with this method. This is not an isolated case neither as a customer had me clean her carpets, yet funnily enough her brother in law does dry fusion cleaning. Funy how she never got him to do it for her

Dave

[woodman]

Woolsafe Approve Texatherm cleaning solution which has a built in sanitiser which funnily enough will make for a healthier carpet after cleaning.

Dry Fusion solutions are also approved by wool safe and they use a solution which is called bactoshield, same applies as above.

As they have woolsafe approval this means they can be used on wool and wool mix fibres with no risk.

As for the systems both are approved by manufacturers for use on their carpets although some do do approve them for use on loop pile.Personally i have never had a problem on any carpet when using the systems including cleaning of silk and oriental rugs.

Texatherm is with out doubt the best system I have used for Flotex.

As for cleaning trashed carpets, I've cleaned hundreds using both systems and if used correctly work fine.They are not just for maintenance cleaning as has been suggested.The system to my knowledge is succesful but not to every ones liking as you found out, same as the CFR system which some condem with out really investigating properly.

Arthur surely you had something better to do that watch DF clean the same patch of carpet for 2 days

Dave;perhaps your client doesn't like he brother in law or he has the system but does not operate it properly could be a whole load of reasons why she doesn't use him including quite possibly she doesn't like the system of cleaning itself which is fair enough.

INCIDENTLY, why on earth would your other customer be asked to sign a waiver before DF is carried out, did you ask her? Both systems are safer to use than just about any other, was it a loop pile by any chance? In which case she still went ahead despite being told the risks.Seems strange to me

[AJCleaningServices]

...Arthur surely you had something better to do that watch DF clean the same patch of carpet for 2 days ...

I like your since of humour, woodman, but the point is even funnier after two days the bonnets were still dirty, so decided to consider buying CFR machine  .   Soon I am going to attend a hand on course where various carpet cleaning equipment should be demonstrated, after then I am going to make my choice on what machine to buy.

Regards,

Arthur

[AJCleaningServices]

Back to the subject how to get an organized / stronger message across: "A CLEAN CARPET IS A HEALTHY HOME" or similar

ANY IDEAS FOR A GOOD SLOGAN, PLEASE POST IT HERE

[Eureka Ventures]

"Soon I am going to attend a hand on course where various carpet cleaning equipment should be demonstrated".


Details please, Arthur

Freddie

[AJCleaningServices]

I should post details after the course.

Regards,

Arthur

[mark_roberts]

Woodman - Ive used Texatherm on flotex and its really hard on the machine or am I doing it wrong??

For what its worth none of us can ever get a carpet clean only looking clean because we clean from the top down.  Emersion cleaning is the way to go but thats for certain rugs only.

Try the white towel test.  Theres always dirt left behind.

Mark

[Spot On cleaning]

Woodman

The customer who had to sign a waver before her carpet was cleaned, had a wool mix 60:40 carpet, and was apparantly asked to sign in case of colour loss.

I think myself that this type of cleaning does have it's place, but only light maitenance where speed is of the essence and obviously quick dry times. If you were working on office carpets, then equipment is light to carry into the work place, and of course it is a cheap way of getting into this business. But with office carpets with specific stains such as toner, and restaurant or pub carpets caked in grease, your system wouldn't cut the mustard. Now a tm and you are hitting the right note.


Another minus point would be the difficulty in finding customers who are willing to have their carpets cleaned frequently. A lot of offices, hotels, airports etc use hwe, whether the portable type or the wheeled type the cleaner pushes along which is easier and more cost effective.

I think with this system as well, they have tried to portray it as something spectacular with the other bits and pieces, but at the end of the day it's just a flor scrubber with a pad moving dirt from one place and depositing it in another place. Dirt should be extracted out. I bet you don't wash your hair and leave the shampoo in there.

Regarding the other customers brother in law, he had decided to take redundancy and bought into this system, but he was having trouble keeping customers because of his results. Whether his technique was bad or the process, i can't answer this.

Dave

[woodman]

Sorry Dave your comments show you simply do not understand how either of the systems work :

I think I mentioned that I had cleaned all manner of carpets with the system and as both, especially Tex, were in fact designed for office cleaning then I think had they not worked both would be out of business by now instead of being the recommended system for Interface tiles.

Both systems are also non-residual so no problem there either, in fact a properly cleaned tex/df cleaned carpet will remain cleaner longer than a HWE cleaned carpet,so frequency goes down not up.

Who ever got your client to sign the waiver was obviously an amateur as he would have known that there would have been no risk of colour loss cleaning that carpet. As for the brother in law, you got it in one, he was having trouble because of his results in other words he didn't know how to operate the system, makes you wonder how he ever managed to get hold of one in the first place...I don't blame the lady for moving on.

I use both LM and HWE systems and much prefer LM which I use on both domestic and commercial carpets. I use both LM & CFR on upholstery cleans combined.

Hi Mark, don't know what your doing wrong can only think you are not lubricating the floor enough... and do not over the wring the pad, the results I have had have been quite spectacular on occasion.

[Ian Gourlay]

Not sureof the details as I only skimed the Headline but the daily mail had an article saying that babies were less likely to develop Asthma in homes with dirty carpets

[Steve Chapman]

Ian,
i read this article and was amazed that it was asserting that a dusty home can actually help asthma sufferers
I've had someone question me already today about this
Surely that's not good for business
regards
steve

[Spot On cleaning]

Lads

I mentioned something similar in an earlier post stating that today, people live in clean, double glazed and centrally heated houses, the perfect breeding ground for bacteria of different kinds and a lot of todays children are playing on their computer games rather than outside like people of my age did. They are therefore not building up a resistance to various bacterias by getting dirty.

People who live on the streets have a higher resistance to colds than we would. I remember a while back, one of my kids was bad and i asked my gp if it was contact with the dogs, to which he replied it was good for them.

We need to return to the old days of the outside bog, draugyhty windows, no carpets or possibly lino and getting up on a freezing cold morning waiting for dad to light the coal fire, before having some porridge from the big pot on the stove that lasted a week......... Happy days

I wonder how many people has asthma bak then?

Dave

[therapist]

Hate to disappoint you Spot, but I was Born in the mid 40s, was raised in a 4 bed house with no heating in the bedrooms. We did have a proper bathroom, which was usually freezing.

My father and older brother were  chronic asthmatics, which I believe was genetic, rather than environmental.

Nobody lived in a cooler, fresher indoor environment, but the asthma was still there . What we did have, as did all kids in that era, was runny noses, which may have been responsible for defending a % of people from allergy related problems.

Todays drier and warmer indoor atmosphere must be stopping the mucus formation which probably protected our 'tubes' to some extent.

There is no doubt that there has been an increase in the number of asthmatics and related problems in recent years and in addition to a cooler environment I suspect the introduction of water into the atmosphere would prove beneficial.

Not a plug.........but I've been an advocate of Water filtration Vacuuming and this, if used daily introduces water into the atmosphere through the exhaust.

As the exhaust air is hot and laden with CLEAN particles of water it enhances the air quality.

just a thought

rob m

[Spot On cleaning]

Therapist

I agree that some Asthma is genetic as well as it's related symptom of Exzma and that moisture in the atmosphere is a good thing.

My nephew is now 25 years of age and has grown out of his symptons. As a baby and a small child he would frequently be in an oxygen tent at our local hospital and was on ventylin medication.

In desperation, my father, his grandfather had read about a trial piece of equipment that had been developed in Israil and had had a write up in the Daily Mirror. After writing to the paper he was put in touch with the manufacturer and one was purchased at a cost of i think around £300 - £400 which would have been in 1984/85.

The machine was called a rhinotherm or some similar name and i think was made by the Weismann institute., and after warming it up, you held this device to the end of your nose, and it fired water vapour up your nose. I can't remember whether it had to be distilled water, but it seemed to work.

I know that when our gas fire is on or the central heating, we usually leave a dish of water out to keep the atmosphere from becoming dry.

Dave