[Ian Lancaster]

Are you still on the tools Ian.Iv been at it for 37 years mate

No b****y fear!!

I'm 70 next year - done my bit and then some

[AuRavelling79]

and I respect your views, just don't agree, I have that right don't I?

Which ones? I'd like to hear why you feel the way you do.

[edward1]

ian has now retired into a very comfortable lifestyle.
 
and spends most of his time sunning himself in the Algarve I believe.

[Dave Willis]

I got burnt in the Balearics once. Not a pretty sight!

[LWC]

I feel for the guy, it was folk on here and other forums that forwarded the vid to H&S

I try to mind my own business and not worry about others

Couldnt agree more. I also feel for him. Fined for what? I agree maybe give him a telling off but NOTHING happened so what, who cares!

Get on with your own lives and stop worrying about other peoples lives.

[neil kellett]

A fall arrest system or harness would not have been much use on this type of structure and would possibly only cause an accident.  If he fell with a harness on him who is gonna pull him back up?  Where is he gonna clip his lanyard onto on an old building like this, theres not gonna be any latch on points.  A cherry picker would hardly be viable, permits, cost etc.  This guy is old school, he knows what he's doing instinctively, its the way those windows have always been done.  The difference now is every do gooder now has a smartfone. 

[AuRavelling79]

A fall arrest system or harness would not have been much use on this type of structure and would possibly only cause an accident.  If he fell with a harness on him who is gonna pull him back up?  Where is he gonna clip his lanyard onto on an old building like this, theres not gonna be any latch on points.  A cherry picker would hardly be viable, permits, cost etc.  This guy is old school, he knows what he's doing instinctively, its the way those windows have always been done.  The difference now is every do gooder now has a smartfone. 

 

[Frankybadboy]

I feel for the guy, it was folk on here and other forums that forwarded the vid to H&S

I try to mind my own business and not worry about others

Couldnt agree more. I also feel for him. Fined for what? I agree maybe give him a telling off but NOTHING happened so what, who cares!

Get on with your own lives and stop worrying about other peoples lives.

and for what,a few quid and that all,is it worth it,one slip and the few quid doesn't matter.


I see my life a bit more than a few quid,if your desperate then you carry on

[andyM]

It doesn't matter how good or skilled he is at his job, in my opinion he potentially put members of the public at risk due to his actions.
Luckily he didn't fall, but what if he did?
Would people still be supportive of him if another person or others had been injured or killed due to him falling?
The fine should be a wake up call to him to think of the bigger picture!

[SunShineCleaning]

I feel for the guy, it was folk on here and other forums that forwarded the vid to H&S

I try to mind my own business and not worry about others

Couldnt agree more. I also feel for him. Fined for what? I agree maybe give him a telling off but NOTHING happened so what, who cares!

Get on with your own lives and stop worrying about other peoples lives.

If we have knowledge to help people and don't use it what sort of person are we?

[gary999]

big brother his mother and bloody sister are constantly
watching these days you soon wont be able to fart soo without
getting permission.

dont get me wrong if you presenting a real risk to the
general public you should be pulled up but if the risk is
to no one but the individual surely they have the right
to make the decision and take that choice no matter how
stupid it seems to the rest of us.


1984 is fast approaching with the constant sanitisation of
our lives

[neil kellett]

A fall arrest system or harness would not have been much use on this type of structure and would possibly only cause an accident.  If he fell with a harness on him who is gonna pull him back up?  Where is he gonna clip his lanyard onto on an old building like this, theres not gonna be any latch on points.  A cherry picker would hardly be viable, permits, cost etc.  This guy is old school, he knows what he's doing instinctively, its the way those windows have always been done.  The difference now is every do gooder now has a smartfone. 

 

Roll your eyes all you like, it said in the article he was  working without a harness. How could the guys who built the skyscrapers back in the twenties have walked around on the girders attached to harnesses?  Anyone with experience and training with fall arrest knows this, its only the general public and the uninitiated who will baulk. No mention of WFP, abseil etc because they don't comprehend those systems.  Societies attitude to health and safety has changed. The glass still need to be cleaned. It may not reasonably practicable to do it the ideal way.

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

Ireland might be behind the times mate but that's no excuse, perhaps it's time to catch up ya ejet.

[neil kellett]

Behind the times?  Was the clip filmed in Ireland?  Our modern buildings are designed to cater for all access for cleaning and regular maintenance as are they are everywhere. this is an old building built before the new regs were brought in.  I'm not suggesting what the guy did was right, ofcourse it was unsafe.  But not necessarily because he was'nt using a harness.  If you fall with a harness on and are left hanging for any more than a few minutes your legs are gonna need to be amputated due to lack of blood flow.  I can go into other specifics but suffice it to say harnesses are more for perception and if not properly maintained, with certs of confomity etc will not hold most guys if they do fall, the lanyard in most cases being the trip factor causing the fall.
By the ways whats an ejet? Oh eegit sorry. Is that short for idiot?

[SunShineCleaning]

Neil has a point. You can't use fall arrest without an evacuation plan and the means to carry out an evacuation safely.

[jimiwindows]

Behind the times?  Was the clip filmed in Ireland?  Our modern buildings are designed to cater for all access for cleaning and regular maintenance as are they are everywhere. this is an old building built before the new regs were brought in.  I'm not suggesting what the guy did was right, ofcourse it was unsafe.  But not necessarily because he was'nt using a harness.  If you fall with a harness on and are left hanging for any more than a few minutes your legs are gonna need to be amputated due to lack of blood flow.  I can go into other specifics but suffice it to say harnesses are more for perception and if not properly maintained, with certs of confomity etc will not hold most guys if they do fall, the lanyard in most cases being the trip factor causing the fall.
By the ways whats an ejet? Oh eegit sorry. Is that short for idiot?

7 mins and your legs are gone

[AuRavelling79]

Behind the times?  Was the clip filmed in Ireland?  Our modern buildings are designed to cater for all access for cleaning and regular maintenance as are they are everywhere. this is an old building built before the new regs were brought in.  I'm not suggesting what the guy did was right, ofcourse it was unsafe.  But not necessarily because he was'nt using a harness.  If you fall with a harness on and are left hanging for any more than a few minutes your legs are gonna need to be amputated due to lack of blood flow.  I can go into other specifics but suffice it to say harnesses are more for perception and if not properly maintained, with certs of confomity etc will not hold most guys if they do fall, the lanyard in most cases being the trip factor causing the fall.
By the ways whats an ejet? Oh eegit sorry. Is that short for idiot?

Do I detect some backtracking here? Good. 

[neil kellett]

I said, he knows what he's doing, instinctively.  So does spiderman but that doesn't make it safe.