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Dave Willis

Re: Facelift v Gardiners pole review
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2013, 07:40:42 am »
I guess you're not brilliant at a little diy then Ian?
Plastic end caps can be complicated things.

But if you're not willing to learn no one can help you.

Window Washers

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Re: Facelift v Gardiners pole review
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2013, 08:17:40 am »
Dave I'm fine with DIY.

But should you have too DIY something that you buy ?
I know you don't like anything questionable said about Alex, do you have a crush (bless) but the fact remains this should not happen
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

R.C Property

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Re: Facelift v Gardiners pole review
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2013, 08:53:00 am »
Think the poles are better without stop ends, makes it a lot easier if you need to replace a section, clean pole due to grit or add sections on. With the facelift poles you can do this a lot quicker than ones with stop ends, there is a big enough warning colour strip to warn you that it's coming to the end,

Stephen Fox

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Re: Facelift v Gardiners pole review
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2013, 09:05:34 am »
Ian,

Thank you the feedback, we always find it invaluable.

The current system we have on the Phoenix with no positive stop and even the ends caps, is for easy chop and change of pole size. Should we fix the stops it makes it a lot harder to change the pole sections  should you want to add or take away. Same issue with the end cap, it is very simple to stop it from ever coming off the pole - just glue it, but then that adds its own issue should you want to add to the pole at a later date.

This brings us to the major point. If it was universally demanded to have end stops, etc then every Facelift pole would have them! As we seen the is not the case at all, in fact it seems that it is the minority prefer fixed end to non fixed. It's more of a case if what you are used to than which is better.

We have a few developments in the coming months and soon have a method to satisfy everyone!

Stephen Fox

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Re: Facelift v Gardiners pole review
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2013, 09:07:27 am »
Think the poles are better without stop ends, makes it a lot easier if you need to replace a section, clean pole due to grit or add sections on. With the facelift poles you can do this a lot quicker than ones with stop ends, there is a big enough warning colour strip to warn you that it's coming to the end,

Rich, posted last comment before reading yours! Spot on!

Window Washers

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Re: Facelift v Gardiners pole review
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2013, 09:43:13 am »
Ian,

Thank you the feedback, we always find it invaluable.

The current system we have on the Phoenix with no positive stop and even the ends caps, is for easy chop and change of pole size. Should we fix the stops it makes it a lot harder to change the pole sections  should you want to add or take away. Same issue with the end cap, it is very simple to stop it from ever coming off the pole - just glue it, but then that adds its own issue should you want to add to the pole at a later date.

This brings us to the major point. If it was universally demanded to have end stops, etc then every Facelift pole would have them! As we seen the is not the case at all, in fact it seems that it is the minority prefer fixed end to non fixed. It's more of a case if what you are used to than which is better.

We have a few developments in the coming months and soon have a method to satisfy everyone!

Thanks for the reply Stephen,

I did'nt know it was for chopping and changing pole sizes, very handy to know.

I am however surprised that the minority prefer endstops.

I would guess the minority are the people that employ ? where did you get that research data from ?

I know without question endstops have cut down on staff damging poles from over extending them.

I have not found the end cap a problem with your pole they are nice quality and the clamps are Awesome

My problem was when replacing endcaps from Gardiners clx, I gave up in the end and fixed it myself.

Thats my only problem I have had with Gardiner poles, I recommend them to everyone.


Do you have a link to your pole range with a price list ?

Are you going to have a version with endstops ? or is it possible to convert them with tape (like Gardiners one ?)

will be interesting to see how the poles stand the time test, Gardiners last ages.
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)


Dave Willis

Re: Facelift v Gardiners pole review
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2013, 04:32:03 pm »
First thing I do with my poles is remove the end stops. They can be dismantled very quickly then for cleaning. I don't normally find overextending a problem. I never work without an end cap. I just wish the Gardiner ones were rubber.
I have one supplied by tekbook or whatever that idiot called his company. The cap however is superb, never wears out, can be stretched to fit and prevents damage to vehicles, windows and the pole itself.

Washing Windows

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Re: Facelift v Gardiners pole review
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2013, 07:52:05 pm »
What you mean his hands on Approach, ?

With a post count in excess of 5,500 thousand on these forums, I felt it was fair to describe Alex as "hands on" mate. You will also notice that the moment the big fella himself is made aware of an issue he addresses it. And having watched the review again and based on my own experience I have absolutely nothing but praise for Gardiner Pole Systems.

As Mark points out in his video, the CL-X was almost 3 years old and had been used every day. I have a retired CL-X with the old screw top that I bought around the same time as Mark and, like Mark, I had a problem with a clamp that had come loose. I contact Gardiners at the time and it was explained to me that they'd had a bad batch and that I could either send to pole back for replacement or I could conduct the repair myself and they would put a credit against my account for future purchases, I chose the latter. And, like Mark (as you can see from his video), I used way to much epoxy resin but the pole never failed again over the following 2 years of heavy daily use. I was so pleased with the pole I bought 2 more around 6 months ago and they're also used daily. The clamps are rock solid.

I'm also struggling seeing any issue with the end caps for the CL-X, which are glued by default. I replaced the end cap on the original CL-X once it had worn and it was as good as new once epoxied.

Granted my experience is limited to only 3 years in the industry but all in all I will tip my hat to Alex. His staff are always professional, amiable and helpful and I constantly see new innovation appearing on his website. His products are definitely the ones to beat but competition is healthy right?

The simple resolution for this is for us to send you a replacement quick release resi-neck which should have been offered when you rang to discuss the issue originally.  A not very quick release (!) resi-neck can very occasionally happen from a production run, if the tolerances of the injection moulded resi-neck are slightly out.

Fantastic customer service Alex and thank you very much, email winging its way to you over t'internet as I type. :D

I never work without an end cap. I just wish the Gardiner ones were rubber.
I have one supplied by tekbook or whatever that idiot called his company. The cap however is superb, never wears out, can be stretched to fit and prevents damage to vehicles, windows and the pole itself.

The rubber cap does sound an excellent idea.

Duncan

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Re: Facelift v Gardiners pole review
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2013, 09:05:08 pm »
No disrespect to the author but this is hardly a Vs review ??? He only compares clamps then it's all about one pole!

Window Washers

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Re: Facelift v Gardiners pole review
« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2013, 07:12:11 am »
No disrespect to the author but this is hardly a Vs review ??? He only compares clamps then it's all about one pole!
agree
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)