[Carl@Cwc]

I'm thinking of selling copies of mine.

My one was composed by a HR company and covers everything you need to cover you and protect your business.

It cost over £800 and was upgraded last year.

What do you think it's worth?

lot of money to pay out for no employees

would u be kind enough to forward me a copy , inc all the text  plssssssssssssss

I waste even more money on employers insurance, wages, uniforms and accountant bills and the guy sitting next to me and cleaning my customers windows is a hologram 

[William McCafferty]

Check out the for sale section

[brad t]

Any chance you could send me one Richy bradleyswindows@ymail.com
Thanks b

[Ian Lancaster]

I don't think so, I checked around and these are the figures being charged, the main problem with any contract and get one paragraph wrong and the whole contract is invalid.

and that one sentence can cost you thousands

True.  All I would add is be very careful.  If it came to a tribunal, a bit of false economy now could destroy your business.

[Bay View WCS]

I don't think so, I checked around and these are the figures being charged, the main problem with any contract and get one paragraph wrong and the whole contract is invalid.

and that one sentence can cost you thousands

I am quite certain that that isn't correct at all.

[mikecam]

I don't think so, I checked around and these are the figures being charged, the main problem with any contract and get one paragraph wrong and the whole contract is invalid.

and that one sentence can cost you thousands

I am quite certain that that isn't correct at all.

Bay View, i agree with you. I'd doubt its correct at all. If anyone bothered to read the business link i gave above then they'd know its not correct. But as much as you try to give advice, you still get people asking above 'send me one too'. They don't want to read anything, or do the slightest bit of research. Then you get people like Ian Lancaster saying 'true', whilst i'd doubt he's been on the recieving end of an employment tribunal, and ironically he doesnt as such 'employ', but he still knows that one sentence wrong and 'your business is at risk'. William who paid £800 for a contract is going to sell copies of it for £40 a pop, if you come unstuck with this i guess you could sue him as his inference here is that it is 'watertight' and thats why you're paying. Richy Wilts has one, and if there's anyone any of us should look to for employment advice then its Richy.
 Anyway, i'm no smarter than the next bloke, ............Richy, can i have a copy please.......
cleanandclearliverpool@gmail.com                 
 

[mikecam]

got it, cheers Richy.

[George P]

thanks richy, got it

[William McCafferty]

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/employment/employees/employmentcontractsandconditions/dg_10027905

[A@R WINDOWCLEANING]

Hi richy just about to employ a part timer when i get back of hols i would love a copy thanks           antony_platt@sky.com thanks again

[Ian Lancaster]

I don't think so, I checked around and these are the figures being charged, the main problem with any contract and get one paragraph wrong and the whole contract is invalid.

and that one sentence can cost you thousands

I am quite certain that that isn't correct at all.

Bay View, i agree with you. I'd doubt its correct at all. If anyone bothered to read the business link i gave above then they'd know its not correct. But as much as you try to give advice, you still get people asking above 'send me one too'. They don't want to read anything, or do the slightest bit of research. Then you get people like Ian Lancaster saying 'true', whilst i'd doubt he's been on the recieving end of an employment tribunal, and ironically he doesnt as such 'employ', but he still knows that one sentence wrong and 'your business is at risk'. William who paid £800 for a contract is going to sell copies of it for £40 a pop, if you come unstuck with this i guess you could sue him as his inference here is that it is 'watertight' and thats why you're paying. Richy Wilts has one, and if there's anyone any of us should look to for employment advice then its Richy.
 Anyway, i'm no smarter than the next bloke, ............Richy, can i have a copy please.......
cleanandclearliverpool@gmail.com                

 

***Sigh***  No, you're right, I don't employ......but I have been in this business for over 45 years, and during that time I have employed, many times.  I have spent thousands on getting my contracts right and one thing I have been advised about more than once is that a contract has to be fair.  If a judge decided that any section of your contract was unduly biased in your favour to the detriment of your employee, he could declare the contract to be null and void.

But don't take my word for it, either trust your own judgement or pay for proper expert legal advice.  I did which is why I think my opinion has some merit.

[William McCafferty]

I wouldn't bother Ian, I have noticed that a lot of people lately are trying to run their businesses on the cheap and if a short cut is possible, well why not. :

It will be fun to read in the future and I am certain I will read that some are coming up against disgruntal ex employees who are either taking away their business wholesale or are going down the tribunals route, which can cost hundreds and thousands in costs just defending yourself, and you might even be innocent, they (ex-employees) won't lose any sleep over it as they have nothing to lose.

[mikecam]

Then you get people like Ian Lancaster saying 'true', whilst i'd doubt he's been on the recieving end of an employment tribunal, and ironically he doesnt as such 'employ', but he still knows that one sentence wrong and 'your business is at risk'.

 

***Sigh***  No, you're right, I don't employ......but I have been in this business for over 45 years, and during that time I have employed, many times.  I have spent thousands on getting my contracts right and one thing I have been advised about more than once is that a contract has to be fair.  If a judge decided that any section of your contract was unduly biased in your favour to the detriment of your employee, he could declare the contract to be null and void.

But don't take my word for it, either trust your own judgement or pay for proper expert legal advice.  I did which is why I think my opinion has some merit.

Hi Ian, i take it the 'sigh' effect means oh no here we go again? Thats ok. If we're going to talk turkey then lets gobble, and not throw.......'i've been doing this 45 years so i know more than you' in the hat ! A contract exists the minute you start an employee, you can give a contract or  a terms of employment. They are relativley straightforward documents, many available from free rescources to help small businesses. There is also a current drive from the government to try to cut red tape to assist small businesses. So i do take issue with you saying you spent thousands to get the right contract, or maybe no issue with you personally doing that but you alluding that that is what people need to do to get a decent workers contract. Also William says he spent £800 one one that he wants to sell copies of for £40 a pop. This type of talk is enough to put any potential employer off employing. The truth is its a straightforward cost free excersice, unless of course you'd like to give me an example of one of these 'badly worded paragraphs' alluded to that can potentially cost you your business?

[bobby p]

add in a bit about internet abuse. a guy i recently got rid of has started a campaign to rubbish me. on the net

i have a feeling no contract would have stopped him though, seems he likes causing grief

[William McCafferty]

Then you get people like Ian Lancaster saying 'true', whilst i'd doubt he's been on the recieving end of an employment tribunal, and ironically he doesnt as such 'employ', but he still knows that one sentence wrong and 'your business is at risk'.

 

***Sigh***  No, you're right, I don't employ......but I have been in this business for over 45 years, and during that time I have employed, many times.  I have spent thousands on getting my contracts right and one thing I have been advised about more than once is that a contract has to be fair.  If a judge decided that any section of your contract was unduly biased in your favour to the detriment of your employee, he could declare the contract to be null and void.

But don't take my word for it, either trust your own judgement or pay for proper expert legal advice.  I did which is why I think my opinion has some merit.

Hi Ian, i take it the 'sigh' effect means oh no here we go again? Thats ok. If we're going to talk turkey then lets gobble, and not throw.......'i've been doing this 45 years so i know more than you' in the hat ! A contract exists the minute you start an employee, you can give a contract or  a terms of employment. They are relativley straightforward documents, many available from free rescources to help small businesses. There is also a current drive from the government to try to cut red tape to assist small businesses. So i do take issue with you saying you spent thousands to get the right contract, or maybe no issue with you personally doing that but you alluding that that is what people need to do to get a decent workers contract. Also William says he spent £800 one one that he wants to sell copies of for £40 a pop. This type of talk is enough to put any potential employer off employing. The truth is its a straightforward cost free excersice, unless of course you'd like to give me an example of one of these 'badly worded paragraphs' alluded to that can potentially cost you your business?

Hi Mike

I agree with you that there are many free or low cost contracts of employments about, the same can be said regarding wills, but the problem with these contracts, is the only covers the basics.

A contract that is drawn up by experts in employment law, will be a different document, and in this document will be clauses that can or could save you a lot of hassle and money or even your business.

Have a read though the link I have posted and item 19 alone is well worth the cost of getting a proffessionally prepared contract drawn up, this is my opinion of course, but I do believe in "murphys law" and if something is likely to go wrong then employing someone is high on the list.

http://www.lawdonut.co.uk/law/employment-law/recruitment-and-employment-contracts/employment-contracts-20-faqs