hi richy,in reply to your answer,yes i do put up with things and cope with it only due to i guess my ignorance,i like to try new things etc but am out of touch with the trad world,(devoted too much time to wfp and lost touch with trad)is micro fibre the way forward forward?seems a sad post really but theres gotta be a good bit of kit common to us all either scrim,micro fibre or plain old beer towel which makes it all easier and better might be down to preference from person to person i don't know,