[bad trippy]

Is it April fools day allready?
Fans take a while to get used to, took me a month before i was sure i wanted to convert over.
Fans are much quicker, cover more area of glass when rinsing.
I actually prefer to rinse off glass, and lift the brush a good few inches off, as this will get you much wider coverage,so infact its quicker.
Just be a lil carefull on the top of the window, but there again even with pencils you have to be carefull here.
Myself, i hate pencils with vengence,and would never go back, each to their own though i suppose

[ben M]

Hi Tim,

I found the same thing, but the guys who rinse on the glass are the ones who praise them. Turning the flow rate up makes things worse. I don't rinse on the glass and I prefer pencils every time.

Spruce

me too 

[Window Washers]

comes down to each to thier own, I have tried fans quite a few time I find them sloppy and slow compared to pencil jets although they sound nice

[andyM]

I've always found the blue Lurmark fan jets to be very good. 
You do have to use a much stricter cleaning technique to make sure you don't get overspray going everywhere.
If the spray is contained within the bristles of the brush and you strictly control the flow of water you will see the benefits.

[Smudger]

I've always found the blue Lurmark fan jets to be very good. 
You do have to use a much stricter cleaning technique to make sure you don't get overspray going everywhere.
If the spray is contained within the bristles of the brush and you strictly control the flow of water you will see the benefits.

are you saying effort brings it's own rewards ?

Darran

[andyM]

Well others have said they find them slow and sloppy?
In most cases I find I clean quicker with them. 

[windowswashed]

Fanjets are much slower

[Cliff perkins]

Ive just got a new sill brush from alex with the white fan jets .im still undecided as to which i prefer.
In my opinion i would clean all 1st cleans with pencil jets get the windows spotless and then use fans after for each clean.
Ive found if windows are really dirty its hard to wash debris of windows like balls of spider webb etc.
Still undecided which i prefer though.
Also the white jets if the pressure is turned down enough i find they act like pencils anyway.

[[GQC] Tim]

Problem is, even if I took a year to get used to them, the matter of the fact is, that there is far less water coming down the glass. It's very obvious.

I've found the key to being very fast on the glass is a high flow rate (and hot, but that's another story), with plenty of water flowing through the brush and sheeting down. It's not happening with fan jets, at all.

I'm sure the white fan jets from Gardiners act differently, but still it wouldn't make me go with them for regular work. I think it says a lot that Alex sticks to pencil jets as well!

[Perfect Windows]

Problem is, even if I took a year to get used to them, the matter of the fact is, that there is far less water coming down the glass. It's very obvious.

I've found the key to being very fast on the glass is a high flow rate (and hot, but that's another story), with plenty of water flowing through the brush and sheeting down. It's not happening with fan jets, at all.

I'm sure the white fan jets from Gardiners act differently, but still it wouldn't make me go with them for regular work. I think it says a lot that Alex sticks to pencil jets as well!

Funnily enough I checked this a while ago with some fanjets.  The first thing I did was to connect them (at the same pump setting) and compare water flow over  a minute with a set of pencils.  Identical.

Have you tried measuring rather than perceiving?

Vin

[keyser soze]

using fan jets worry me because i found they leave spots on the glass . is it best to rinse with the brush still on the glass

[evo]

Is it April fools day allready?
Fans take a while to get used to, took me a month before i was sure i wanted to convert over.
Fans are much quicker, cover more area of glass when rinsing.
I actually prefer to rinse off glass, and lift the brush a good few inches off, as this will get you much wider coverage,so infact its quicker.
Just be a lil carefull on the top of the window, but there again even with pencils you have to be carefull here.
Myself, i hate pencils with vengence,and would never go back, each to their own though i suppose

well done trippy i could not agree more spot on

[bad trippy]

Stand up, put your feet together, get someone to measure the distance between both feet.
Then do the splits, again get someone to measure the distance between both feet.
Now apply this logic to pencil and fan jets
You aint gotta be a rocket scientist to work out how much more water coverage the fans will give you compared to pencils.
Someone said fans dont use the same amount of water as pencils, well today i had to turn the pump down! too much water coming out of those fans, even for me who works at a rapid rate.
There is no difference in the water output between the two jets.
Fans distribute the water much more evenly
Pencils just chuck it out in one spot, wasting water and time in my opinion

[[GQC] Tim]

Problem is, even if I took a year to get used to them, the matter of the fact is, that there is far less water coming down the glass. It's very obvious.

I've found the key to being very fast on the glass is a high flow rate (and hot, but that's another story), with plenty of water flowing through the brush and sheeting down. It's not happening with fan jets, at all.

I'm sure the white fan jets from Gardiners act differently, but still it wouldn't make me go with them for regular work. I think it says a lot that Alex sticks to pencil jets as well!

Funnily enough I checked this a while ago with some fanjets.  The first thing I did was to connect them (at the same pump setting) and compare water flow over  a minute with a set of pencils.  Identical.

Have you tried measuring rather than perceiving?

Vin

Interesting. Problem is all that water just goes all over the place, giving no curtain of water whatsoever. That's what makes me go fast, and I'm not talking about normal fast, I'm talking about faster then fast. With fan jets you are just waiting till the water comes down, not so with pencil jets.

[stuart mc]

not often I agree with trippy

[windowswashed]

A stream of water runs faster than a mist  vertically with the weight of the water and gravity:)

[[GQC] Tim]

A stream of water runs faster than a mist  vertically with the weight of the water and gravity:)

Something along those lines indeed. Anyway, this wasn't so much of a fan-jet vs pencil jet debate, as in my opinion there was never any question of a fan jet being better now that I've tried it.

Topic has served it's purpose I feel, closing it otherwise it will keep getting resurrected.