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Mark Stanley

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Leather
« on: January 02, 2006, 05:25:19 pm »
 :) :) Got a small job on wednesday small combination leather sofa - any advice on the most widely used leather cleaners and do they work?  Do they NEED to be used with conditioners?:) :) Ta.
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Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care

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Re: Leather
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2006, 05:52:34 pm »
What type of leather is it?
Experience does not qualify as Knowledge and Understanding.
Understand how and why and you'll produce great results.

IICRC, Woolsafe, Fenice & LTT trained.
Member of Eco Carpet Care, NCCA & Woolsafe.

Mark Stanley

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Re: Leather
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2006, 05:58:48 pm »
Not sure -  dark brown is as technical as i can get with type - other than it is a thich / hardy leather - there you go i had better get on a course for leather treatment - SOON - Having said that i donts as yet come across much leather cleaning
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Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care

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Re: Leather
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2006, 06:32:27 pm »
Drip a spot of water on an inconspicuous area. Does it bead or does it soak in? If it soaks in, does it leave a mark or does it fade when you dry it with a hair dryer? Look at it through a magnifying glass. Are there pores visible? If there are, then do they appear to be painted over, leaving little dimples or does it look like your own skin?

If the water beads and the pores seem to be present but filled in with paint or even non existant, then you have 'pigmented' leather and then can be wet cleaned using pretty much any leather cleaner/ mild shampoo. Go easy on any wear area's. Dont condition - use stain protection.

BUT before you start washing it, check all the panels and confirm any damage with your client, then thoroughly vacuum clean !??? Yes vacuum clean. It makes a difference.

Get in contact with ALLTEC in Cambridge. Find out when they're getting the FENICE (feneechee) guy back in. His name escapes me but he's a top man and you'll learn how to repair rips, tears, burns n' allsorts.
Experience does not qualify as Knowledge and Understanding.
Understand how and why and you'll produce great results.

IICRC, Woolsafe, Fenice & LTT trained.
Member of Eco Carpet Care, NCCA & Woolsafe.

scott2bclean

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Re: Leather
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2006, 07:54:46 am »
helllo

Alltec are running leather courses 24/25/26 january.

regards
john

LTT Leathercare

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Re: Leather
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2006, 09:01:53 am »
Hello

Alan is right you must check what leather you are dealing with before you begin.  Checking with a microscope is probably more productive than a magnifying glass and doing the 5 tests to be sure what you are dealing with is important even if you have years of experience.

If you are interested we will be running IICRC LCT courses this year in Harrogate and Farnham alongside our own technical courses.  We are fortunate that they are all tutored by Andy Alcock who is the only approved IICRC LCT trainer in the UK and is widely respected in the industry

If you need any further help please do not hesitate to contact us.

Regards
Judy
http://www.lttleathercare.co.uk
Leather Consultant to the Furniture and Cleaning Industry
Leather Cleaning, Care and Restoration products and services
AMU
IICRC (LCT)
NCCA
SLTC

Mark Roberts

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Re: Leather
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2006, 05:37:51 pm »
You can but the Fenice Leather range from Valspar.

http://valsparuk.dragnetweb.co.uk/DRSIGNON.ASP?PBID=valspar&CPID=A&CTID=2&DR_PGE_ACTION=BTNEnter

By far the best Leather cleaning products I have used.

Mark

Mark Stanley

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Re: Leather
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2006, 06:49:55 pm »
 :) Thank you for your replys thus far Guys a picture is building :)
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LTT Leathercare

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Re: Leather
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2006, 08:51:13 am »
If you are cleaning leather you should always use specific cleaners formulated for leather.  Years ago things like 'Fairy Liquid' and 'Lux' were recommended as they were mild soaps, however these days salts and other chemicals have been added to these to make them more efficient in the jobs they are designed to do and they can now have a detremental affect on leather finishes. 
Leather cleaners should always be used as a foam as this is the most efficient way of cleaning, (our products come in foaming bottles ready for use to make it easier), it also the most economical way to use the product.

Please find below an article recently published in our Newsletter on conditioners v. protectors which you may find of interest.

There is still a huge body of consumers out there (and a good percentage of cleaners/technicians/retailers) who are desperate to ‘feed’ and/or ‘condition’ their leather.  Usually this would consist of spreading some sort of oil or grease containing product onto their leather (milk, Vaseline, baby oil, musk oil being some of the more bizarre we have come across).
What we ask is why?
When leather is manufactured a certain amount of oil and fat is introduced into the hide and, (with the exception of one or two complex situations) this is where it stays.  It does not evaporate or migrate or leave the leather by any other means.
What does leave the leather is moisture (water), and it is this that needs replacing.  Dry leather is more susceptible to a whole range of problems.  The most obvious is cracking, both of finish and fibres. Next is raised absorbency levels which means body oils containing fats and acids will more readily soak into the leather (ever seen those dark areas on head rests and arm ends) eventually destroying finishes and the leather itself.  Dry leather will be a sponge for spills, tea, coffee, red wine, ink, any product with colouring once soaked inside leather will leave a permanent stain, which depending on leather type may or may not be fixable—at a price.
Some hide foods and conditioners if properly formulated and used correctly with leather type taken into account will not damage the leather, others particularly if they contain waxes and silicones are likely to do more harm than good. The basis of a good type would be an emulsion of lanoline and water.  The water re-hydrates and the lanoline helps the leather to hold the moisture for a little longer, but it does not address the issue of protecting the leather.  But it is cheap to manufacture and therefore can be sold at a low price.
Leather Protectors on the other hand are a complex formulation and the ingredients are expensive, therefore the end product is more costly, often 2-3 times the price of a conditioner. BUT THEY DO WORK..  We always use the ‘Scotchgard’ analogy to explain how, without getting technical it is the easiest way. Its effectiveness can also be demonstrated.  Leather Protector performs all the good functions of a ‘conditioner’ or ‘food’ product but will leave a virtually invisible, breathable, non greasy coating on the surface.  This will be effective at helping to resist stains via spillages,  dye transfer and day to day soiling, including body oils… It is not bullet proof and the leather still needs cleaning, but the dirt  will be sitting in or on the protector and will clean off more effectively.  During the cleaning process the protective element  will also be reduced and need replacing.
How often is the next question and a tricky one to answer.  Some leathers I recommend a light clean and protect once a month, others a good clean and protect 1-2 times per year.  There are so many finishes on the market at present that it is not wise to generalize.  Experience and knowledge is the best guide.
Bottom line– to treat furniture with a good quality Leather Protector will probably cost £2-£3 more per average suite than a ‘conditioner’ or ‘food’ product  but the benefits far out way this cost   and the effects can be demonstrated for your customer to see.

Hope this helps

Judy
http://www.lttleathercare.co.uk
Leather Consultant to the Furniture and Cleaning Industry
Leather Cleaning, Care and Restoration products and services
AMU
IICRC (LCT)
NCCA
SLTC

Mark Stanley

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Re: Leather
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2006, 04:22:13 pm »
Thank you very much indeed for all of that. It does help  ;D ;D ;D
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Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care

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Re: Leather
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2006, 01:48:09 am »
Nicely put Judy.

How would you say the IICRC leather course compares with Fenice's? Can you comment?
I learnt stacks with John Clarke (Fenice).

Haven't done the iicrc one yet and I know it's on its way this year.
Experience does not qualify as Knowledge and Understanding.
Understand how and why and you'll produce great results.

IICRC, Woolsafe, Fenice & LTT trained.
Member of Eco Carpet Care, NCCA & Woolsafe.

LTT Leathercare

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Re: Leather
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2006, 09:33:19 am »
Hello Alan,

We do not know the content of the Fenice course but we understand John Clarke has a lot of experience in the industry. Our trainer Andy Alcock is also vastly experienced and a qualified teacher, he taught leather repair in the USA before coming here to set up LTT.

The IICRC is very much geared towards the academic side and getting an examination and certification so there is a lot more listening than doing.  It concentrates very much on leather cleaning and there are only passing references to restoration and repair techniques.
We will be adding a 3rd day to the 2 day IICRC course which will be a hands on day to cover the more practical aspects.

The IICRC course is not as in depth technically as our 2 day technical course which covers scuffs, scratches, colour mixing etc. Although the LTT course is not endorsed by any certification body our certificate is now widely recognised in the industry.

We have IICRC dates in February and March for anyone interested in getting this qualification, further dates will be available throughout the year, our technical courses run every month.

Hope this answers your question

Regards
Judy
http://www.lttleathercare.co.uk
Leather Consultant to the Furniture and Cleaning Industry
Leather Cleaning, Care and Restoration products and services
AMU
IICRC (LCT)
NCCA
SLTC

Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care

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Re: Leather
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2006, 10:25:50 am »
Many thanks

Alan
Experience does not qualify as Knowledge and Understanding.
Understand how and why and you'll produce great results.

IICRC, Woolsafe, Fenice & LTT trained.
Member of Eco Carpet Care, NCCA & Woolsafe.