[john k]

Thinking of expanding early next year I'm wfp and wondering what amount of work is reasonable you can expect an employee to get through in a day/week and what percentage you can expect to earn from them thanks.

[Ian101]

Thinking of expanding early next year I'm wfp and wondering what amount of work is reasonable you can expect an employee to get through in a day/week and what percentage you can expect to earn from them thanks.

will he be on his own or 2 up with you ?

[john k]

On his own

[lyndy]

£200 a day

[king marko]

On his own

Setting him up with his own van, equipment etc.. ??
Will he be self employed or are you paying an hourly rate ??
With an hourly rate I'd imagine his work rate will be less, its only natuaral!! but if self employed I'd like to think he would be motivated to earn and help build your business if you paid him a percentage - he would have an incentive to earn then - thus, the more he earns, the more you earn (in principal!!)

[herbiefatboy]

if he is using your equipment he can not be self employed.

[king marko]

if he is using your equipment he can not be self employed.

I worked for a local windy using his equipment and I was self employed

[Pope vader]

all depends on how big the houses are, and how well priced the jobs are,  as expecting some one jsut to do £200 and then earn £60, they aint going to stick around,

[john k]

I was thinking self employed using my van and equipment giving them 50% of everything they earn

[king marko]

I was thinking self employed using my van and equipment giving them 50% of everything they earn

That's how I worked chap - I just payed for the diesel and all minor repairs to the van (wipers, bulbs etc..) and payed for my own public liability too

[Pope vader]

the tax man is clamping down on all the self employed

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/employment-status/index.htm#1

[CleartechLee]

Pope Vader is right they are clamping down on the whole sub contracting thing. just come off one of them startup business course things and it all boiled down to if you supplying the kit and telling them when and for how long they do a job(s) then its not sub contracting or something similar.

Few cases gone to court

[Pope vader]

if i supply the van, the work, and the gear and tell him to do it  then he is employed,   but if i supply the work only,  and he can do them when he wants  (hours/days) he is self employed

[king marko]

Pope Vader is right they are clamping down on the whole sub contracting thing. just come off one of them startup business course things and it all boiled down to if you supplying the kit and telling them when and for how long they do a job(s) then its not sub contracting or something similar.

Few cases gone to court

When you say a few cases have gone to court what do you mean?
The 'employer' has been taken to court by his employee?
Or he's been taken by HMRC ?

[Helen]

I was thinking self employed using my van and equipment giving them 50% of everything they earn

That's how I worked chap - I just payed for the diesel and all minor repairs to the van (wipers, bulbs etc..) and payed for my own public liability too

Did you have proven income from window cleaning of your own away from this "others" work?
Did you pay your own tax and national Insurance during this time? If not please check that this "other" did pay it for you or you could be in trouble.

The laws have changed in the past few years.

How you were working for this "other" would now be classed as employed, he would pay all costs related to the vehicle and have to have PL & Emp ins.

[king marko]

I was thinking self employed using my van and equipment giving them 50% of everything they earn

That's how I worked chap - I just payed for the diesel and all minor repairs to the van (wipers, bulbs etc..) and payed for my own public liability too

Did you have proven income from window cleaning of your own away from this "others" work?
Did you pay your own tax and national Insurance during this time? If not please check that this "other" did pay it for you or you could be in trouble.

The laws have changed in the past few years.

How you were working for this "other" would now be classed as employed, he would pay all costs related to the vehicle and have to have PL & Emp ins.

My sole income during this time was with him - I've looked it up on HMRC website now and it's complicated to say the least - Im upto date with all my tax and national ins - I've always paid this 

[CleartechLee]

The example i was given was a chauffer driver taking his boss to court (doubt it would ever happen in window cleaning due to its nature)

Because the driver had to work "certain" hours each day he was unable to do anyother work for anyone else as they were the main common hours..

something along those lines, as you can tell i didnt listen much on the courses  :

[Danny Guest]

If you at the stage of employing then im sure you can afford an accountant or a bookkeeper to look after this for you!

Its worth it in my opinion and this then will leave you with more time to drive your business forward

Danny

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

sub contracting
you own the work someone is cleaning for you
at a % of income yeah
simples
if subby is cleaning say 200 a day - 40%=£120 aday e will
b taxable on !!!!
all yr doing is taking 80.00 quid a day of which yr liable
for 20% of  so im led to believe plus yr daily take
in the words of the meerkat simples !!!!