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cozy

Re: Eastern Europeans in Peterborough
« Reply #60 on: February 17, 2011, 07:50:01 am »
Great having a new server for CIU, just wish it wouldn't crash as often as it does!!

Anyway, the Polish builders are allowed to use their cars on Polish plates for 12 months while in an EU country. They can be checked at point of entry for insurance tax MOT etc etc, but who is really bothered to check? If they work in UK and invoice UK residents, and are VAT registered, they MUST pay the collected VAT to HMRC at the end of the year.

Because UK has such a good system of ID and organisation, I'm sure all these checks are carried out. I just wonder why the Poles travelled right through Germany, Holland and Belgium to get to UK to work. The second Language in Poland is Russian, then German.

Maybe because there is better weather in UK.

Londoner

Re: Eastern Europeans in Peterborough
« Reply #61 on: February 17, 2011, 08:39:23 am »
If they work in UK and invoice UK residents, and are VAT registered, they MUST pay the collected VAT to HMRC at the end of the year.



They won't be vat registered though, thats the whole point. And Eastern European workers don't have to pay tax on earnings in Britain - legally!

Under EU law they can "nominate" which country they pay their tax. Either the country where the money was earned or the country in which they are domicile. My guess is they quitely ignore both.

ian1972

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Re: Eastern Europeans in Peterborough
« Reply #62 on: February 17, 2011, 08:51:58 am »
Time go clean some windows!

PAIN IN THE GLASS

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Re: Eastern Europeans in Peterborough
« Reply #63 on: February 17, 2011, 08:53:49 am »
Rollover Britain..... All the Poles,Latvians etc come to the UK cos we are to soft on the benifit system. A lot of these countries like Poland, Hungary and the rest of them get handout's from there system of abt £100 to last them a month. No help with rent or council tax or bills.
This is why they make there way here. Cos they get everything for free. What would we get if we went there F--- ALL ah.

 

the bfg

Re: Eastern Europeans in Peterborough
« Reply #64 on: February 17, 2011, 10:11:17 am »
Rollover Britain..... All the Poles,Latvians etc come to the UK cos we are to soft on the benifit system. A lot of these countries like Poland, Hungary and the rest of them get handout's from there system of abt £100 to last them a month. No help with rent or council tax or bills.
This is why they make there way here. Cos they get everything for free. What would we get if we went there F--- ALL ah.

 

















well go to Poland on a fact finding tour and let us all know if you managed to get anything,  but like you said if you get damn all  you can always move to Peterborough and LIVE THE DREAM   :D :D :D :D

Re: Eastern Europeans in Peterborough
« Reply #65 on: February 21, 2011, 12:35:53 pm »
I'm a bit troubled by the nature of some of this talk. It's an emotive issue for sure, but comparing the 'problem' of migrant workers in the UK to the decades of totalitarian rule in Egypt (which was supported and funded by the UK amongst others) is pushing it.

Immigration is not new. This is an Island, so we're all immigrants if you go back far enough. It's been happening throughout the whole history of Britain. Historians estimate that between 15 & 25% of the Royal Navy during the Napoleonic wars was foreign. Have a look at Nelsons column next time your in London and you'll find Black sailors depicted on it doing their duty. Polish, French, Dutch, Indian, and many others flew in the RAF in the Battle of Britain. Go back to any period of Britain's history and you'll find it awash with foreigners.

And the Poles have not Driven through Germany and wherever just to come here. They're all throughout Europe, as are people of all nationalities, including Brits. They and other migrant workers play a vital part in our economy, which is the 7th largest in the world and 2nd largest in Europe behind Germany. We're not doing to badly out of it. If Government policy makes us bit worse off blame the government not the Poles.

One of the largest problems facing the developing world is large western (including British) corporations refusing to pay them their due tax when they are based abroad. Also there are many hundreds of thousands of British workers and ex-pats spread across the globe. In Spain there are huge developments full of Brits who refuse to learn the language or respect their way of doing things. People complain when foreign language provision is made for people in this country. But look at how much signage is in English next time you're in a holiday hot spot. They don't like it either.  And just go to Ibiza, Tennerife, The Costa Del Sol, Prague, or countless other destinations and look at how we Brits respect their way of life. They dread the influx of the drunken yobs we export. They have to spend millions on policing, including setting up English speaking units to deal with unruly tourists.  We are pricing local populations out of the housing markets and turning communities into ghost towns in many countries by snapping up cheap foreign housing for holiday homes. It's not all one sided.

Sorry to go on, but my mother was born a black British citizen. She was recruited by an NHS mental hospital in the 60's because they were desperately short of nurses. She worked hard in this country and we had to endure so much 'you're over hear stealing our jobs' abuse, I don't like to see people who are taking a legitimate opportunity to be vilified in such a lazy way. Don't be informed by the Daily Mail alone. Sure their are bad eggs, but we have sent plenty of our own abroad to harass foreign communities. We don't have the moral high ground here.

Sorry, I've had way too much coffee, it's raining and I'm getting a bit stir crazy .

Phew!!

cozy

Re: Eastern Europeans in Peterborough
« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2011, 12:58:04 pm »
Some good points there. I'm an ex-pat living in Germany. The poles do drive through here to get to UK, or they fly!! The reason for this is, the Germans have a 7 year restriction on eastern europeans living and working here. That's why the country isn't over run with cheap labour that has "Internet" qualifications and driving licences.

I've lived here as a civvie for about 23 or more years. I've seen first hand when the wall fell what can happen to an economy when it's flooded by cheap poorly trained workers.The only reason that the Poles are leaving at the moment is that there is more money to earn in Poland!!!

Because some Poles flew a Spitfire 70 years ago bares no relation to economic problems. Portugal is Britains oldest recorded ali. Shall we invite all of them over for helping us fight the Dutch a few hundred years ago??

Some Brits do go abroad and cause trouble, it's embarrassing to see, but the vast majority of Brits living abroad are not there to use a benefit system or take advantage of a benefit. I know alot of Brits living here in Germany. Not one has a problem learning the language. Without it, you're sunk.

As for the Brits that have swamped northern France, I can imagine that if a village is "Taken over" by Brits, the locals would be unhappy. Yes, Brits are arrogant with regards to language, but we aren't looking for a free ride abroad. Many Poles have been like that here. Many German firms won't employ eastern europeans now.

So that's how I see it. Yes, Brits are all immigrants. There is only so much room though. By the way, Eastern Europeans aren't going to UK because of a strong economy. They can earn AND get state benefits the equate to a months wages in some cases sent by the state to their families in Poland or Latvia.

It's not MY tax.


ian1972

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Re: Eastern Europeans in Peterborough
« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2011, 01:30:24 pm »
I was in no way trying to belittle what is happening in Egypt or any part of the middle east at the min,al am tryin to say is other people have the power balls to make a stand and get changes except us British

cozy

Re: Eastern Europeans in Peterborough
« Reply #68 on: February 21, 2011, 01:49:08 pm »
What about the poll tax riots? They were pretty bad. British people don't need a revelution mate, they need a government with enough bottle to make decisions.Look at the decisions you get from Parliment about dangerous dogs!! Remember that patch work of silly regulations?

You live in a liberal country, so expect people from strict undertrodden countries to head for UK where they can live the dream of being a tradesman by simply downloading a polish parking fine and telling the employer that it's Polish city & guilds  ;D

There are some strange regulations and documents in Eastern Europe. I've personally seen 3 driving licences with identical numbers. That was back in 2001 when my mate had a few Eastern Europeans trying to drive his trucks. We used to lay bets on how many shunts they would need to get reversed onto a loading bay.

ian1972

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Re: Eastern Europeans in Peterborough
« Reply #69 on: February 21, 2011, 03:31:24 pm »
This country lost it's bottle for standing up for itself after the miners strike what was the governments answer to those lads standing up for thereselves?they answered by basically taking apart british industry

cozy

Re: Eastern Europeans in Peterborough
« Reply #70 on: February 21, 2011, 04:02:51 pm »
Well that's got something to do with it.

 I saw some plonker on the news saying that the German economy is not good because it's built on exporting produced goods!! God help us  ::)

The fact is, UK is so deregulated that it's anything goes as far as cheap labour goes. You have to pay the price one way or another. No regulation means open season for cheap unqualified labour. Hey, no problem really though. About 70 Polish pilots helped us fight ze Gurmuns in the last century. So who's complaining?

(Tongue in cheek)  ;)

Re: Eastern Europeans in Peterborough
« Reply #71 on: February 22, 2011, 08:32:42 am »
Well the majority, actually all the Poles I've personally encountered are here to work and they work hard. The restaurant I'm off to clean today is staffed by Poles, Brazilians and Italians and they work hard. When you say they're here for a free ride, prove it. Where are the stats? And the idea that our economy is being undermined by cheap labor.. prove it.

When you enter into issues like these its easy to get worked up, especially if you feel you've personally suffered. My sympathies go out to anyone who's struggling for whatever reason. But foreigners, reds under the bed and Ze Germans are not the bogey man. Nations in any kind of trouble are always so quick to lay all their troubles at the feet of 'foreign invaders'.

How much benefit was actually lost due to fraud? The latest figures i could find were 2007/8. Turns out it's 0.7% of the welfare budget. http://www.community-links.org/linksuk/?p=37

G Griffin

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Re: Eastern Europeans in Peterborough New
« Reply #72 on: February 22, 2011, 08:39:28 am »
This country lost it's bottle for standing up for itself after the miners strike what was the governments answer to those lads standing up for thereselves?they answered by basically taking apart british industry

The miners`strike was the death knell for the unions.
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cozy

Re: Eastern Europeans in Peterborough
« Reply #73 on: February 22, 2011, 09:07:38 am »
Ah, you want quotes from Google. All the Eastern Europeans are here to work hard because that's what the ones that you know do. They are ALL hard workers etc etc.
Your sympathies go out to whatever country is struggling. Is Poland struggling? Now you want to discuss whether the UK economy is being undermined by cheap labour!! Have a look outside your window mate. I don't see the UK economy being copied because it's a success, do you? When I left UK, there was a population of about 54 million. How many more can a country that size sustain?
Why do people head for UK and pass through France, Holland, Belgium or Germany to get there?? Why is that do you think?

I sympathize with your view that we should all link arms and sway, it's just not going to happen any time soon, people are still living there with chips on their shoulders.
So you find the "Stats" to prove what you are spouting. It's these sort of attitudes that urge people to stick their head in the sand and hope it all gets better.

I live as a guest here in Germany. I chose not to become a citizen and therefore I can't vote. My choice. If I don't like it here, I'll leave.I didn't come here as an economic refugee and I don't intend to take advantage of the benefits system here. I work hard and sometimes employ the locals part time.
I despare at the state of my own country. I despare at the way it's people are bullied into not complaining and if they do complain, they are labeled "Racist".

If you just want to get on your soap box and fight the Eastern Europeans corner, then YOU need to prove stats etc, not me. I'm an immigrant too.

Another point you might like to concider is this: If you could earn double what you can earn here in another country, would you go there? Of course you would, and when you got there would you work "hard"? Yes you would. Everyone would think you are a good "hard" worker. Because you are cheaper then the workers from the host country, you reduce the "working wage" of that country by taking less wages. When you leave, you have damaged that "working wage" of that area.
Is that a good situation then? Are you happy with that when it's YOUR area and YOUR wage?
Show me your "Stats" mate. Show me where that works.

Re: Eastern Europeans in Peterborough
« Reply #74 on: February 22, 2011, 09:33:26 am »
I'm not for linking hands and swaying, I'm just recovering from a case of the squits, so that would get ugly real fast.

I like it when people put the word 'stats' in quotation marks. And the UK model is indeed being copied throughout the world, free market capitalism is the hot ticket right now (we are the 7th richest country in the world by the way!!) Free movement of labor and resources didn't just happen. Globalization isn't a force of nature. It's a product of political decisions in all developed and indeed developing economies on an international scale. All major economies need sources of cheap unskilled labor, all of them. Send them all home and watch businesses go bust and costs for everything rise.We know who's to blame for the current economic crisis.

All I'm saying is find out whats really going on. If you're going to tar an entire community as freeloaders, cheats and fraudsters, make sure you can back that up with cold hard 'facts' :). Making wild accusations is just as much putting your head in the sand as is skipping around with a bunch of pretty flowers believing that everything's fine. I don't advocate either. 

It's okay for us tapping at computers, but people really suffer from being unfairly maligned, I know that first hand. And it's no fun.

cozy

Re: Eastern Europeans in Peterborough
« Reply #75 on: February 22, 2011, 09:45:56 am »
I'm not for linking hands and swaying, I'm just recovering from a case of the squits, so that would get ugly real fast.

I like it when people put the word 'stats' in quotation marks.You are the one who wanted "Stats". And the UK model is indeed being copied throughout the world, free market capitalism is the hot ticket right now (we are the 7th richest country in the world by the way!!) Yes, on paper, also the highest personal debt.Free movement of labor and resources didn't just happen. Globalization isn't a force of nature. It's a product of political decisions in all developed and indeed developing economies on an international scale. All major economies need sources of cheap unskilled labor, all of them. Yes, perhaps, but how much and when is it too much? When you have to change the road signs to another language?Send them all home and watch businesses go bust and costs for everything rise.We know who's to blame for the current economic crisis. When did anyone say "Send them all home"?

All I'm saying is find out whats really going on. If you're going to tar an entire community as freeloaders, cheats and fraudsters, make sure you can back that up with cold hard 'facts' :). Who tarred all of "Them" as fraudsters cheats and freeloaders? Making wild accusations is just as much putting your head in the sand as is skipping around with a bunch of pretty flowers believing that everything's fine. I don't advocate either.  
Which "Wild acusations" were those?
It's okay for us tapping at computers, but people really suffer from being unfairly maligned, I know that first hand. And it's no fun.So do I. When I first moved here I was treated as a punchy thug who would drink too much and cause trouble. Because that's how Germans saw the Brits, most of them being Squaddies. So I know how it feels.

So, now it's got warmer than minus 8 from this morning, I'll go and get some work done. My prices haven't been effected, so I can still earn a decent level of income. See ya later mate. ;) I really miss UK.

Nick Wareham

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Re: Eastern Europeans in Peterborough New
« Reply #76 on: February 22, 2011, 02:39:45 pm »
Its nothing to do with whether they work hard or not.

Its the fact that they will happily work for £4 an hour becuase that amount of money goes a long way in Poland.  The ones I've seen, about 10 of them live in a small house to save money, and they send the money they earn straight back to Poland.

British workers cant compete with that purely because we live here and cant afford to work for £4 an hour.

My mate's a bricklayer, and he tried to get hired on one of the olympic village building sites.  He was told "Sorry we are only hiring polish workers, they're cheaper".

That is what the problem is, not whether they work hard or not.  And dont forget, there is no limit to the amount of "self-employed" eu workers that can come here.

If I was Polish, I'd be over here like a shot.  Free healthcare, and the chance to earn WAY more than I could at home.  For them its a no-brainer.  Our government signed us up to this, its they that are to blame, not the immigrants.