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mileslake

Re: Frost protect for diy heaters,.. anyone interested?
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2011, 09:24:10 pm »
Fantastic idea. 

LWC

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Re: Frost protect for diy heaters,.. anyone interested?
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2011, 09:28:25 pm »
Would this mean having to leave a pilot light on? Or do the l5's work differently?

Nathanael Jones

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Re: Frost protect for diy heaters,.. anyone interested?
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2011, 11:50:10 pm »
Would this mean having to leave a pilot light on? Or do the l5's work differently?

The heaters commonly used don't have a pilot light,.. the ignition is a pulse/spark activated by a flow sensor.
The idea of this unit is it will help even with cold systems unless the weather is extreme,.. moving water is harder to freeze!

Nathanael Jones

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Re: Frost protect for diy heaters,.. anyone interested?
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2011, 02:10:12 pm »
This unit is primarily designed for use with van mounted WFP systems,.. mostly aimed at hot users, but to some degree it will work on cold systems.

The idea is that you would fit a male quick connect into the top of your tank, and when you finish work on a cold frosty evening, you simply click the end of your hose reel onto this connector & switch on this unit.

The unit has a temp probe with 2mtrs of cable, so you simply position the probe near/against the bit of equipment you are most worried about being damaged by frost (Your RO/Pump etc).

When the temp hits 4C, this unit will start powering your wfp pump & circulating water around your entire system, hose reel included. In a cold system, your tank might be cool,.. but even the little heat that's in in when combined with constant circulation, will keep everything from freezing until the weather becomes really severe.

When this unit is combined with a heater, the water flow would ignite the heater unit & actively warm your system,.. you'd never have to worry about frost again!

Unlike similar units, this one has been designed with a 15 minute reset zone,.. after 15 mins of constant operation, if the temp has not yet risen above 4C, the frost protect unit will cut power to the pump for 30 seconds & then resume. This 30 seconds of inactivity allows a heater a 2nd chance to ignite on the rare event that it didn't light first try, and it also allows heaters with inbuilt timers like the popular L5's to reset and continue providing heat.

I would like to stress that the use of heaters in a vehicle unattended overnight is something that should not be undertaken if you have the slightest doubt about your systems safety. Only heaters that are externally vented & properly fitted should be used, and even then at your own risk.

Re: Frost protect for diy heaters,.. anyone interested?
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2011, 02:52:13 pm »
Good simple exposition Nat. I keep banging on about my back to tank bypass, a tap that lets the flow go to the tank instead of the reel, this is yet another reason to have one.

NWH

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Re: Frost protect for diy heaters,.. anyone interested?
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2011, 10:28:15 pm »
A frost stat monitor on the diesel system does all this,there`s no way you could ever do this with an L5 setup i`ve spoken to a LPG well known hot system supplier and they say the only safe way to run an LPG system is with liquid LPG and a heater in the vehicle overnight to stop it freezing.They also say that pure water will quickly rott the inside of the L5 in no time but what do i know lol. ;D ;D

Nathanael Jones

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Re: Frost protect for diy heaters,.. anyone interested?
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2011, 08:23:19 am »
A frost stat monitor on the diesel system does all this,there`s no way you could ever do this with an L5 setup i`ve spoken to a LPG well known hot system supplier and they say the only safe way to run an LPG system is with liquid LPG and a heater in the vehicle overnight to stop it freezing.They also say that pure water will quickly rott the inside of the L5 in no time but what do i know lol. ;D ;D

My L5 is 2 years old & the insides haven't rotted yet!
Butane will work unless the temp hits freezing, and because the bottle is inside the van it is also protected by this unit. Propane will work to -20C I'm told.

Nathanael Jones

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Re: Frost protect for diy heaters,.. anyone interested?
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2011, 08:04:46 pm »
A quick update:

After a bit of feedback on the video, we have decided to add a feature where you can set the temp that the unit activates to suit your own setup,.. a simple "up/down" button will allow the setting to be adjusted.

The finished product will also be in a much better case, more suited for mounting on the van wall next to your varistream.