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derek west

blood on leather
« on: December 31, 2010, 02:15:43 pm »
looks like a semi analine from the pics or possibly a pull up, got blood on one of the seems of the cushions, what the procedure for blood. its deffo soaked in. have got pics and will email them to anyone with blood removal knowledge.

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: blood on leather
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2010, 02:18:40 pm »
When it comes to Aniline etc you need Roger Koh it's more of his speciality IMO.

Shaun

Roger Koh

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Re: blood on leather
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2010, 09:41:05 pm »
For blood; it requires a leather protein remover with a high pH value of 11.0 to break-up the coagulation.
The iron components requires a tarnish remover with a low pH of 1.3 to bleach out the rust stain.
In a leather-safe system; the high and the low pH neutralize itself; the remaining residue is thereafter rinse with a pH 3.0 rinse.

Thus a three steps to a professional leather blood stain removal - for all leathers including the pH sensitive types like: Aniline, Vachetta, Nubuck, Suede, Hair-on-Hide and Wool-skin.

Try Google (Images) search it - Kit-BS.s

And here is the Leather Problem Solving Guide for Semi-Aniline.
 
Roger Koh
info@leatherdoctor.com



LTT Leathercare

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Re: blood on leather
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2010, 10:06:32 pm »
Semi Aniline is such a misused term and does not technically have a meaning. 
If the blood has soaked intothe leather then it is an aniline style of some sort with a possible coating. As the blood has already penetrated the fibres it is unlikely to be removed completely as it cannot be extracted form the fibres.

Hydrogen Peroxide can work well on some blood stains and may remove what is left on the surface.  Cleaning and protecting on a regular basis will help to dissipate the stain and make it less obvious. 

Hope this helps
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greencleaning

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Re: blood on leather
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2011, 01:33:27 am »
Use only the suds from a solution of water and mild soap. Rub the stained area using a sponge with the suds on it.

Jim_77

Re: blood on leather
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2011, 01:49:40 am »
::)

derek west

Re: blood on leather
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2011, 03:57:17 pm »
tried searching roger but couldn't find anything.

still none the wiser as to wether i should take this on or not.

guess this one is beyond cleaning.

Roger Koh

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Re: blood on leather
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2011, 09:16:27 pm »
Do you have pictures?

derek west

Re: blood on leather
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2011, 10:05:50 pm »
yes roger, not brilliant ones, give us your email and i'll send them too ya.

Roger Koh

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Re: blood on leather
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2011, 10:13:23 pm »

Roger Koh

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Re: blood on leather New
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2011, 10:47:29 pm »
yes roger, not brilliant ones, give us your email and i'll send them too ya.




Thanks for sending me the pictures!

The leather type is a gloss aniline finish type – need to know whether it is a wax pull-up by going to hidden unused area and try pulling or stretching it to see if it lighten up; and confirm when warm heat from hair dryer will revert it back to its original.

The blood stain was originally larger as we still can see the darker ring marks, leaving the seam area still showing the concentration of where the blood stains has pooled.

At this point, it is good to know the history especially what have been used to attempt removing it.

Since this is a high-end aniline leather, it is still worth the while to salvage the problem and returning to a pleasing appearance.

Leather Blood Stain Removal:
This specialty stain removal process involves the use of leather protein stain remover like d’Protein-11.0 or equivalent with a high pH of 11.0. This high pH product works by penetration, lubrication and suspension of the stain and swell the protein fiber at the same time to deflocculate the protein coagulation.
Technique to work it out is to drip with an eye dropper; agitate with a spatula and extract with cotton swab – this is repeatedly done genteelly with patience and consistency – until it is completely done.
The next step is to neutralize the high alkalinity of 11.0 (if left there will eventually wrack the leather from stiffness to cracking) with a low acid pH of 1.3. This d’Tarnish-1.3 besides neutralizing the alkalinity does the effect of “acid bleaching” the iron component of the blood. This will reduce the browning or rusty rings that we see even now.

Leather Rejuvenating:
Much of the cleaning may have also removed the original fatliquor (one way to determine the effect of fatliquor lost is to feel (by hand) the suppleness of the leather; comparing the dried stain areas with the unused hidden area). This phase of leather rejuvenation is to restore its suppleness by hydrating and relaxing the leather fibrils that becomes stick together that result in the stiffness with a pH 3.3 Hydrator-3.3; thereafter follows with Fatliquor-5.0, "the life-blood of leather" to return the leather suppleness when it’s completely dry.

Leather Secondary Fashion Rejuvenating:
If it is the wax pull-up, then Wax Effect-8.6 is to be applied to the entire section or rather the entire cleaned surface to produce an even pleasing appearance. There are two functions to this fashion rejuvenating; first is to restore the pull-up effect and second is to produce the typical waxy sheen activated after a cloudy waxy residue is form by heat.

Leather Rub-resistant, Non-stick Protection:
Finally the non-stick, rub-resistant protection; for standard gloss aniline use Leather Scent-B (buttery-feel) to match the topcoating and the Leather Scent-D (draggy-feel) to match the fashion wax pull-up effect.

The Potential Problem:
To remove the penetrated blood stains that coagulate to the protein leather fibrils; we are potentially stripping the entire leather constituents that has been hydrogen-bonded; the pH of 11.0 alone will basify the protein fibrils and shift it anionic (-); and this phenomenal alone will repels all anionic leather constituents like a magnet; especially vulnerable is the fatliquor – the life-blood of leather that need to be replenished. A typical healthy leather has an average of 14% moisture content and much of this is from the fatliquor.

Estimated Results:
When one understand that it is a holistic approach to the blood stain removal; a comprehensive restoration is the undertaking.
And one must have the resources and confidence to accomplish better than it is now; not only aesthetically but with returns to the chemistry integrity of the leather should be.

Price vs Value:
In order to convey a value and not merely a price of your services; the above information has to be made known to your customer to appreciate it.
In leather services, I do frequent mention that “Cheap may be Expensive; and Expensive may be Cheap”
Once educated, it’s the customer’s choice.

Roger Koh
info@leatherdoctor.com

derek west

Re: blood on leather
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2011, 11:23:59 pm »
thanks for taking the time to reply roger, really appreciate it. think its beyond me though. might have to start saving for a 2 week trip to canada on a training holiday. ;)