thanks darren, its good to know they are popular, its looks such a pro lump when you turn up with it i imagine, i was at a bit of a crossroads really, ii used to run a hydramaster maxx 450 but carpets are a bolt-on for us so there it sat much of the time, i cashed it in and got a ninja which was great but its doing constant dirty extraction work so i needed i new lump to show off and i reckon this hits the spot hopefully