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gewindows

Re: Danger Icey Water!
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2010, 10:13:35 pm »
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Yes milord, I knew I was throwing copious amounts of water onto the pavement, yes I knew it was going to freeze immediately, but I left a warning note for the occupier, how was I to know that she was out and would slip and break her arm/leg before getting into the house to read my warning note!"

Matt, your missing the points.
1. How many times do we hear wfp opperators saying "if custy dont care about my safety, they can get someone else to clean" What you are suggesting is hypocritical.

Im not being hypocritical as Ive never said the above.

The reason I have posted this is because I think at the very least the discussion has some mileage. I also believe that if supermarkets, shops, precincts and other areas where custards frequent can clean legally then why cant we?


I feel strongly about certain points that are brought up on this forum, I have in the past dismissed the thought of cleaning in this weather as madness, without thinking about it.

Yesterday when I was out there after each house Id go round and squeegee off all wetted areas with a floor squeegee. Prior to salting those areas but after squeeging them I was pleasantly surprised at how well they came up, let alone once I had salted them.

I wouldnt think WFPing with 4 inches of snow on the ground as a good management decision but if the ground is dry prior to turning up and frost is forecast I think its worth considering.

I am a member of the F.S.B. tomorrow I may give them a call regarding some free legal advice.


jeff1

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Re: Danger Icey Water!
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2010, 10:16:31 pm »
I'm posting this through my custy's door in future  ;D

Dear customer,, I cleaned your windows today and I was bloody freezing, I've had a real crap day because including yourself no one was home so now I'm going home skint, I also broke my flask when I slipped on this bloody ice rink I built you, so no hot drink for me today, Mr blogs at No 73 was kind enough to mention he would have given me a glass of whiskey to warm me up but he had no Ice  ::) So in my wisdom I've just just sold him a half ton block of the stuff  ;D but the fool paid me by cheque  ::)

My brush is still frozen to your window so I can't do any more work anyway and I would be grateful if you could keep your eye on my brush for me, I've detached it from the pole so no idiot like the postman or your husband when he comes home from the pub half cut will trip over it.

Oh and another thing?...All the water I sprayed around the place has all frozen so your path is now the ice rink I've just mentioned, now it would normally cost you £20 to go to a proper ice rink but I've have been kind enough to build you your own personal one in your garden, so I think an extra £10 on top of your half done window clean isn't being unreasonable.

P.S.
If your husband does return home half cut and in his ultimate wisdom goes Arse over Tip then please think again before going to one of these no win no fee companies because I don't have a penny to scratch my arse with.


P.P.S
When my brush has thawed out can you just give that window a quick wash for me.   ;)

Your ever loyal and friendly window cleaner.

gewindows

Re: Danger Icey Water!
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2010, 10:17:45 pm »
Now that IS thinking outside the box  ;)

TC1

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Re: Danger Icey Water!
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2010, 10:37:55 pm »
Matt, I think the note is a good idea, I put this on a thread from MB the other day :

In a previous life I was a Health & Saftey manager and worked for a large hotel group. I think you will find if you create a "hazard" you have a "duty of care" to reduce the risk of causing harm, therfore salting the ground after you have put water on it to reduce the risk of a slip hazard shows "due dilligance" rather than doing nothing and leave the water to freeze!

Tony

matt

Re: Danger Icey Water!
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2010, 10:59:06 pm »
I'm posting this through my custy's door in future  ;D

Dear customer,, I cleaned your windows today and I was bloody freezing, I've had a real crap day because including yourself no one was home so now I'm going home skint, I also broke my flask when I slipped on this bloody ice rink I built you, so no hot drink for me today, Mr blogs at No 73 was kind enough to mention he would have given me a glass of whiskey to warm me up but he had no Ice  ::) So in my wisdom I've just just sold him a half ton block of the stuff  ;D but the fool paid me by cheque  ::)

My brush is still frozen to your window so I can't do any more work anyway and I would be grateful if you could keep your eye on my brush for me, I've detached it from the pole so no idiot like the postman or your husband when he comes home from the pub half cut will trip over it.

Oh and another thing?...All the water I sprayed around the place has all frozen so your path is now the ice rink I've just mentioned, now it would normally cost you £20 to go to a proper ice rink but I've have been kind enough to build you your own personal one in your garden, so I think an extra £10 on top of your half done window clean isn't being unreasonable.

P.S.
If your husband does return home half cut and in his ultimate wisdom goes Arse over Tip then please think again before going to one of these no win no fee companies because I don't have a penny to scratch my arse with.


P.P.S
When my brush has thawed out can you just give that window a quick wash for me.   ;)

Your ever loyal and friendly window cleaner.

very good jeff

could you reword it for cleaning in the rain  ;)

davids3511

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Re: Danger Icey Water!
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2010, 11:06:46 pm »
Matt, the problem is that to read your slip of paper they have to walk up the icy path first if they are out. What if they slip and fall before they ever got to read your notice?

Ian Rochester

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Re: Danger Icey Water!
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2010, 11:15:01 pm »
It's a minefield, can't use ladders for risk of killing yourself, can't use WFP for risk of injuring custys............. might put in for that night shift job at Sainsburys!!

jeff1

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Re: Danger Icey Water!
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2010, 12:06:32 am »
I'm posting this through my custy's door in future  ;D

Dear customer,, I cleaned your windows today and I was bloody freezing, I've had a real crap day because including yourself no one was home so now I'm going home skint, I also broke my flask when I slipped on this bloody ice rink I built you, so no hot drink for me today, Mr blogs at No 73 was kind enough to mention he would have given me a glass of whiskey to warm me up but he had no Ice  ::) So in my wisdom I've just just sold him a half ton block of the stuff  ;D but the fool paid me by cheque  ::)

My brush is still frozen to your window so I can't do any more work anyway and I would be grateful if you could keep your eye on my brush for me, I've detached it from the pole so no idiot like the postman or your husband when he comes home from the pub half cut will trip over it.

Oh and another thing?...All the water I sprayed around the place has all frozen so your path is now the ice rink I've just mentioned, now it would normally cost you £20 to go to a proper ice rink but I've have been kind enough to build you your own personal one in your garden, so I think an extra £10 on top of your half done window clean isn't being unreasonable.

P.S.
If your husband does return home half cut and in his ultimate wisdom goes Arse over Tip then please think again before going to one of these no win no fee companies because I don't have a penny to scratch my arse with.


P.P.S
When my brush has thawed out can you just give that window a quick wash for me.   ;)

Your ever loyal and friendly window cleaner.

very good jeff

could you reword it for cleaning in the rain  ;)

Well just a quick one before I hit the sack

Dear custy
 
Today, I was soaked to the skin at your property and although I was working in the torrential rain and I'll probably end up with pneumonia or at best the flu and believe me I suffer from man flu so its not funny and all this for the few measly quid that you be-grudgingly pay me ::) so don't come out moaning that your path is wet because it wasn't my fault this time.

You may come home and find your windows are still wet and if you do then don't moan that the window cleaner with his brush on a stick left them wet because while you have been sat on your arse in a nice warm office earning £30,000 a year for doing nothing, I have to work in this rain and today I've only earned myself £10 and with all my overheads I'm already £50 down ::) we have yet to convince a manufacturer to incorporate a umbrella into our poles so we can stay dry whilst cleaning in the rain.

I would normally wear my wet weather gear but the last time I was here your husband though that someone had thrown a condom out of your bedroom window, were in-fact it was me in my wet weather gear, so to save you any future embarrassment with your husband I no longer wear it at your property and because of this my wellies fill up with rain water.

I've also decided to add a surcharge on for any customer who moans about us cleaning windows in the rain and the reason for this surcharge is that I save you getting up out of your nice cumfy armchairs to water your shrubs and plants.  
Don't think because its raining the rain will do the job because it doesn't give them as good as soaking as I do with my magic water.

People think that we window cleaners are the bottom of the pile and we are thick were in-fact are job is an art in its self and we have to be very clever to work out some facts like, Water freezes at 32 degrees and boils at 212 degrees. There are 180 degrees between freezing and boiling because there are 180 degrees between north and south now can you see why I have to work in the bloody rain??

jeff1

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Re: Danger Icey Water!
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2010, 12:07:14 am »
Matt, the problem is that to read your slip of paper they have to walk up the icy path first if they are out. What if they slip and fall before they ever got to read your notice?

Simple solution is you nail one to the gate as well  ;D

stevef78

Re: Danger Icey Water!
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2010, 12:17:31 am »
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Mr Brice was awarded £1,895.41 after his accident at a train station. He was walking along the platform when he slipped on the wet floor and fell, injuring the muscles and hamstring in his leg.  Cleaners had wet the floor without displaying any warning signs. Mr Brice's thank you letter read: "Thank you for forwarding the cheque for £1,895.41 in settlement of my claim. I would also like to thank you and your staff for the excellent service and help I have received over this claim which has now reached a satisfactory conclusion. I have also noted your comments regarding my file of papers. Once again, thank you all very much".
fair comment,i think if your poles aint froze go with it...i would ;D ;D

http://www.thompsons.law.co.uk/Other-Accidents/slip-trip-injury-compensation-claims.htm#am_i_entitled_slip_trip_fall_compensation_claim

gewindows

Re: Danger Icey Water!
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2010, 08:51:13 am »
Matt, the problem is that to read your slip of paper they have to walk up the icy path first if they are out. What if they slip and fall before they ever got to read your notice?

Hold on fellas, thats a bit defeatist.

I dont spray water all over paths first off.

The water.....its below windows, the front door doesnt get done unless you want to cloth it or do it trad.

What does get done gets swept and salted, so the ice is gone!


As for the icy path, thats their problem, it has NOTHING to do with you.

Window Washers

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Re: Danger Icey Water!
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2010, 08:56:19 am »
Matt, the problem is that to read your slip of paper they have to walk up the icy path first if they are out. What if they slip and fall before they ever got to read your notice?

Hold on fellas, thats a bit defeatist.

I dont spray water all over paths first off.

The water.....its below windows, the front door doesnt get done unless you want to cloth it or do it trad.

What does get done gets swept and salted, so the ice is gone!


As for the icy path, thats their problem, it has NOTHING to do with you.
Matt, there are many people that do not want you to work and or do not want to work in this weather, they can give an excuse for just about anything to stop earning money or to not work. dON'T TALK ABOUT RAIN ASWELL OR YOU WILL GET IT BOTH BARRELLS, sry cant see the text and not re writting it for the 3rd time..
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

gewindows

Re: Danger Icey Water!
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2010, 09:10:17 am »
Fair point.  :)

gewindows

Re: Danger Icey Water!
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2010, 03:24:50 pm »
I have just spoken to the Underwriters at my Insurance company regarding this.

I explained to them what I have explained here and they were happy to inform me if one of my  customers had an accident as a result of this then in all likelihood the case would end up at court and if I was found to be negligent then they would then cover me for any liability.


If I was found NOT negligent then no worries.

matt

Re: Danger Icey Water!
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2010, 04:39:13 pm »
I have just spoken to the Underwriters at my Insurance company regarding this.

I explained to them what I have explained here and they were happy to inform me if one of my  customers had an accident as a result of this then in all likelihood the case would end up at court and if I was found to be negligent then they would then cover me for any liability.


If I was found NOT negligent then no worries.

get it in writing ;)

but you knew that anyway

JRDEasiReach

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Re: Danger Icey Water!
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2010, 04:51:23 pm »
What do guys think of putting a printed note through custards doors once theyve cleaned their windows in icy weather, something like:

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We are delighted to confirm that your windows have been cleaned today.

However due to the inclement weather we are finding it necessary to sweep any excess water from pathways and patios etc in addition to salting them.

There still remains a slight although continuing possibility of slippage; we therefore advise you to use caution and if possible avoid using these areas until they have dried entirely.

Many thanks

Bla bla bla window cleaners.
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i just avoid their front doors the rest of the place is icy before we start so why worry about making it worse?  plus what about the part before they get in their door :) what if they fell not knowing you were round and then seen your note and thought 'oh a claim' :(
JRD Easi Reach
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