[1wayno]

trad and wfp are both as good as each other,dusnt matta wat u use,as long as u get the job done 

[Archer]

Its about getting the job done PROPERLY & SAFELY

But it is good, when you can be good at cleaning windows traditionaly & by using the waterfed pole.

[1wayno]

your absolutly right,if you can do trad and wfp,then youve got the best of both worlds  as long as the job is done safly and to a high standard then it dunt matter what you use 

[A & J Owen Window Cleaning]

its always going to be a bone of contention trad or wfp personally dot really matter they have both good and bad points i clean tops wfp and lower work trad

[woody1]

I have been trad for four years never had my ladders slip once just dont take sily risks, i dont want to go wfp i can clean a three bed semi quicker than a guy with wfp, i had done the front of the house before he was set up, each to there own

[TC1]

I know a trad wc who fell off his ladder yesterday, he was cleaning a window above a porch and the next thing he knew was on the ground!!! He was very very lucky, just bruises and cut's.

[Clive McDonald]

Any of the trad men had falls in this weather as yet and if they have, did they then decide enoughs enough and go for a WFP system, i heard today that two guys fell off ladders in the past 2 weeks and have broke several bones in the process and have lined up WFP systems and are binning the ladders. 

they are very stupid then,i havnt worked for nearly 3 weeks because it isnt save with ladders

I'm glad you are here stan for a bit of balance.I haven't worked either and feel a bit guilty/lazy, so seeing your post makes me feel a bit better. I'm wfp (hot) and probably know enough for my system to work, but window sills have ice and i would be leaving water and ice behind me and possibly alienating customers.

[martinsadie]

Any of the trad men had falls in this weather as yet and if they have, did they then decide enoughs enough and go for a WFP system, i heard today that two guys fell off ladders in the past 2 weeks and have broke several bones in the process and have lined up WFP systems and are binning the ladders. 

they are very stupid then,i havnt worked for nearly 3 weeks because it isnt save with ladders

Ever tried using ladder spikes Stan? Still have to be sensible though.

got spikes on,that much packed ice its not save to walk with ladder and bucket,and on top of that most roads unaccesable the council are short of grit

[martinsadie]

Any of the trad men had falls in this weather as yet and if they have, did they then decide enoughs enough and go for a WFP system, i heard today that two guys fell off ladders in the past 2 weeks and have broke several bones in the process and have lined up WFP systems and are binning the ladders. 

they are very stupid then,i havnt worked for nearly 3 weeks because it isnt save with ladders

I'm glad you are here stan for a bit of balance.I haven't worked either and feel a bit guilty/lazy, so seeing your post makes me feel a bit better. I'm wfp (hot) and probably know enough for my system to work, but window sills have ice and i would be leaving water and ice behind me and possibly alienating customers.

cant wait to get cracking,but by not taking risks now i know i will get on top later

[david watts]

just been on a scooter web and a blokes on about how he got to work today;
then he goes home later and two trucks jack knifed on road cabs are a mess;
one blokes not going home tonight or ever.
morale of this is for me take care im not taking my van out unless i can get a job done
not messing about trying to get a bit here and a bit there puting your neck on the line

[windowswashed]

When the roads are icy, I wait until the rush hour accidents are finished before thinking about setting off to work. Rather get to work late but safe.

If roads are too icy I won't chance risking an accident as I don't fancy having to sort out the hassle of getting van repaired and being off work longer than could have been prevented.

I use to do trad cleaning all the time. Came off a ladder so I remember how painful it can be. I have a lot of respect for ladders and working safely using them. I only use ladders on 3 commercial buildings to gain access now. If roads are icy there is no way I would risk going up a ladder, so for those of you who do risk icy conditions, just be safe and don't put greed before safety

[dazmond]

yes its bad out there at the moment whether ur trad or wfp.ive been trad for 16 years and also use trad poles a lot for awkward windows.if ur trad only and work on ur own i would advise all of u to buy a trad pole and practice,practice,practice!you will find it a godsend for windows above porches/mossy decking/gravel etc.A LOT SAFER AND PIECE OF MIND!

so im a window cleaner who is proficient in all aspects of trad window cleaning inclu trad pole work.but im a wfp virgin!!i am going to add wfp this year though at some point as u guys have convinced me id be a fool not too!!
thousands of wfpolers cant be wrong can they?? :

[Nathanael Jones]

as long as your not stupid on the ladders,your not gunna fall of em 

Thats a stupid thing to say.

Dave Morris here fell of a ladder recently and did himself a serious injury. As much as I enjoy winding Dave up, I will admit that he's very safety conscious, knows how to use ladders safely and has a lot of experience. But even the best of us can have a bad/forgetfull moment or simple bad luck. Know the risks, accept them and REDUCE them.

[Londoner]

The ineveitable fall comes to all of us eventually who work with ladders. Even though the risk may be small, when you do it over and over many times a day the time is going to come.

[Johnny B]

The ineveitable fall comes to all of us eventually who work with ladders. Even though the risk may be small, when you do it over and over many times a day the time is going to come.

...Hence the need to constantly risk assess, to leave no room for complacency.

John.

[1wayno]

as long as your not stupid on the ladders,your not gunna fall of em 

Thats a stupid thing to say.

Dave Morris here fell of a ladder recently and did himself a serious injury. As much as I enjoy winding Dave up, I will admit that he's very safety conscious, knows how to use ladders safely and has a lot of experience. But even the best of us can have a bad/forgetfull moment or simple bad luck. Know the risks, accept them and REDUCE them.

how is it a stupid thing to say..if you are stupid on your ladder your more likly to fall of and hurt yaself...if your not stupidon it then your less likly to fall,its jus comon sence mate  of course theys the odd freak accident,no-ones perfect  but in GENERAL if your not stupid on your ladder then you wont fall 

[gewindows]

You can be as careful and watchful as you want to be, but when the risks are heightened and the ground is dangerous you're asking for trouble.

H&S recommendations suggest you observe and check ground conditions prior to using a ladder, how some think that snow and ice shouldn't be considered when using a ladder is beyond most.


Footed or not footed mad.

[martinsadie]

Footed or not footed mad.

correct

[1wayno]

You can be as careful and watchful as you want to be, but when the risks are heightened and the ground is dangerous you're asking for trouble.

H&S recommendations suggest you observe and check ground conditions prior to using a ladder, how some think that snow and ice shouldn't be considered when using a ladder is beyond most.


Footed or not footed mad.

yep i agree,ice for me is a no go,its bad enuff walkin on it! and if youve got your ladders in one hand and your bucket in the other and you slip then....ouch!