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Sean Dyer

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Re: JRDEasiReach How many custies....
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2009, 04:33:30 pm »
not if it took you an hour to get there and an hour back :)

only kidding

if your costs are low and you are taking profit from that £60 then its all good

someone with higher costs may take less profit from charging more!!

but i wouold always aim to do more if you want a good wage

never get satisfied wit £18 or £20 always try get better paying work

i would say ian lancasters figures are pretty realistic to aim for personally


and why you cant work 7 hours 5 days a week?? 35 hours week in and out is not a problem unless you are scared of rain! Ok you will lose an odd day very rarely but if you really want you will make it up or write it off but they will be exceptions!!!


easy, i do more than that some weeks!!

JRDEasiReach

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Re: JRDEasiReach How many custies....
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2009, 04:43:44 pm »
Its impossible for me to work 7 hours a day, my max when im fully set up with my round will be 5 in a day to work around my son, no point paying childcare when i can do it is there?
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'The Ladderless Window Cleaning System'

krave

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Re: JRDEasiReach How many custies....
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2009, 05:04:58 pm »
I dont think there should be a set wage people should be aiming for. Some days on domestic im working at over £40ph, others £25, this is overall including a little lunch.

But I find when I aim for a rate or am thinking of one and I dont do it I get dissapointed. Which is not good. I say just work at prices your comfortable with and know can cover you. Dont get caught up in the ph rate.


JRDEasiReach

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Re: JRDEasiReach How many custies....
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2009, 05:07:04 pm »
Im focused more on a daily/monthly income and im working from there ;) we are all different at the end of the day.
JRD Easi Reach
'The Ladderless Window Cleaning System'

Re: JRDEasiReach How many custies....
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2009, 05:09:01 pm »
If you're serious about growing a healthy profitable and successful business, you're asking the wrong question.

Up to a point, the number of customers is irrelevant.  The important statistic you should bear in mind is how much profit you are making.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that the money you 'earn' in a day is all profit, it isn't.

You must allow for all overheads, vehicle costs, loan repayments, fuel, insurance, advertising, stationery, telephone, uniform, tools, repairs renewals and replacements etc etc.

Remember the (very true) adage: "Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity"  If you don't make a good profit you will fail.  It may take a few months or even a few years, but to avoid it you must have a realistic plan with clear goals.

I believe that to be sure of real success you should aim for an hourly turnover of at least £30 and achieve this for a minimum of 35 hours a week.  This figure will increase in line with inflation as time goes on.

This will give you a good wage with enough left over to invest in your business so that you can weather the ups and downs that will come.

£18 per hour may seem brilliant after a factory or other 'employed' position, but running your own business is a different thing altogether.

Don't make the mistake of undervaluing your time, make sure you can turn over enough money to sustain your business and grow year on year.

Ian.  Are you referring to the £30 an hour as an "on the glass" figure or is that drive betweens, setting up etc?

Ian Lancaster

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Re: JRDEasiReach How many custies....
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2009, 05:12:45 pm »
If you're serious about growing a healthy profitable and successful business, you're asking the wrong question.

Up to a point, the number of customers is irrelevant.  The important statistic you should bear in mind is how much profit you are making.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that the money you 'earn' in a day is all profit, it isn't.

You must allow for all overheads, vehicle costs, loan repayments, fuel, insurance, advertising, stationery, telephone, uniform, tools, repairs renewals and replacements etc etc.

Remember the (very true) adage: "Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity"  If you don't make a good profit you will fail.  It may take a few months or even a few years, but to avoid it you must have a realistic plan with clear goals.

I believe that to be sure of real success you should aim for an hourly turnover of at least £30 and achieve this for a minimum of 35 hours a week.  This figure will increase in line with inflation as time goes on.

This will give you a good wage with enough left over to invest in your business so that you can weather the ups and downs that will come.

£18 per hour may seem brilliant after a factory or other 'employed' position, but running your own business is a different thing altogether.

Don't make the mistake of undervaluing your time, make sure you can turn over enough money to sustain your business and grow year on year.

Ian.  Are you referring to the £30 an hour as an "on the glass" figure or is that drive betweens, setting up etc?

It´s from the minute you leave home to the minute you get home again ;)

Re: JRDEasiReach How many custies....
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2009, 06:22:31 pm »
If you're serious about growing a healthy profitable and successful business, you're asking the wrong question.

Up to a point, the number of customers is irrelevant.  The important statistic you should bear in mind is how much profit you are making.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that the money you 'earn' in a day is all profit, it isn't.

You must allow for all overheads, vehicle costs, loan repayments, fuel, insurance, advertising, stationery, telephone, uniform, tools, repairs renewals and replacements etc etc.

Remember the (very true) adage: "Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity"  If you don't make a good profit you will fail.  It may take a few months or even a few years, but to avoid it you must have a realistic plan with clear goals.

I believe that to be sure of real success you should aim for an hourly turnover of at least £30 and achieve this for a minimum of 35 hours a week.  This figure will increase in line with inflation as time goes on.

This will give you a good wage with enough left over to invest in your business so that you can weather the ups and downs that will come.

£18 per hour may seem brilliant after a factory or other 'employed' position, but running your own business is a different thing altogether.

Don't make the mistake of undervaluing your time, make sure you can turn over enough money to sustain your business and grow year on year.

Ian.  Are you referring to the £30 an hour as an "on the glass" figure or is that drive betweens, setting up etc?

It´s from the minute you leave home to the minute you get home again ;)

There are days that I achieve that (and more) and there are days when I don't - especially if I feel a bit knackered and take too long a break.
I've very recently cleared out the garagfe I was renting and handed it back as I no longer needed it.  There was all sorts of tat in there - some of which had been buried a long time at the back.  It was a little treasure archive of paperwork and my two shredders have been working overtime.  It's hard to believe that I used to charge such low amounts back in 1992 (I told you it was old  :)  ).  As I was shredding the records, I did a quick count up of how many customers I had back then.  From 10/91 to 10/93 I built up a round of 363 customers all done trad.  Most of it was a crap round for one simple reason - it was underpriced.  I was too kind to messers back then too.  These days I have about 250 customers plus a bit of subbying that I do 2 - 3 days per month and even allowing for inflation and higher outgoings of WFP, I earn far far more from the 250 than I ever did from the 363.
The round got even bigger after that.  It was very unwieldy too trying to run it from excercise books and paper files.  I reckon that I was probably supplying a service to about 450 customers at one point - all ladder work.
These old records are a bit of a treasure chest and it was tempting to keep them for posterity but you have to let go at some point.  The IR want them kept for 7 years (6 plus the current one) so I will be shredding everything that is from the last century.

So, as you were saying, it's notr the number of customers, it's the profit you earn from them.  I couldn't help noticing that my turnover on my second year of trading was about 13 grand.  The first year was just over 10 grand - but that was assisted by a self-employed driving job that I did one week a mnonth while I was building my round.  Without that it would probably have been 7 - 8 grand.

Just thought I would dip into memory lane from when I started out as there seem to be quite a few new starters lately   :)

Sean Dyer

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Re: JRDEasiReach How many custies....
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2009, 06:41:40 pm »
10-13k back in 91-93 was good money considering the minimums then etc

Re: JRDEasiReach How many custies....
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2009, 06:56:02 pm »
10-13k back in 91-93 was good money considering the minimums then etc

Bear in mind that this was actually the turnover figure rather than profit.  Even back then the business proportion of running my small van could be around 2 grand.  On top of that there were tools, insurance, accountant's fee etc.  It was funny glancing over a few of the receipts.  The 4* petrol that I was using then was about 50p a litre  :) .  The rent for my council flat was about £30 a week - and that included rates and water/sewage charges.
Out of all those customers, I only still clean for three of them.  I bet the work I've picked up over the years and lost or dumped could have three rounds made of it.  Not particularly good rounds but it's still quite a few custies.

Sean Dyer

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Re: JRDEasiReach How many custies....
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2009, 07:08:47 pm »
still my first years t/o was the same only a few years ago :)

dazmond

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Re: JRDEasiReach How many custies....
« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2009, 09:31:41 pm »
when u divide ur turnover by 52 wks and take off tax,expenses etc.NOT MUCH LEFT!im working on my pricing though i think it also depends on area.if u earn 30,000 a year in the north west it would go alot further than down south!if ur trad even further and so on!
price higher/work harder!

JRDEasiReach

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Re: JRDEasiReach How many custies....
« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2009, 04:18:47 pm »
I think its down to the area you live in also, i managed to get myself another 2 new 4 weeklys last night and one of which referred me to her work which they cant get a cleaner to go to for over 2 years :) so initial clean may be doubled :) Im now on around 40 in total, which for a town that has already got around 6 other window cleaners in it aint too bad.  My costs are low each month and i aim to keep them low too.  Having only started in mid september 14th to be exact i will be sitting with a balance of nearly 700 from nothing once all the bills are paid out this month, in a month or two i hope to be in position to pay off at least a quarter of my loan before the end of the tax year, wont pay any tax or very little anyway so may aswell use what i can of it :) Am i doing alright and bare im mind im in NI here.  I cant charge call out fees etc like other areas can.
JRD Easi Reach
'The Ladderless Window Cleaning System'

chopsie

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Re: JRDEasiReach How many custies....
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2009, 12:08:42 am »
I am on 18 from starting canvassing two weeks ago on friday.did first ones today.so as good as your customer base is JD i am really hoping to have a few more than that after 2 months.Time will tell,depends if i can keep the canvassing effort up  :)
chopsie

JRDEasiReach

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Re: JRDEasiReach How many custies....
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2009, 03:25:11 pm »
bare in mind ive only really been canvassing on the doors a little under 3 weeks, running out of flyers too which isnt helping!!
JRD Easi Reach
'The Ladderless Window Cleaning System'