There seems to be a lot of new people posting lately, is this the norm of this time of year to have more people starting up in this trade and do they fizzle out over time or do you see most of them stay around, I think new people starting up and have the innitiative must really want to be in this trade, I was a newbie this time last year along with a few others but i see some of them still posting, so is it the norm or is it the financial situation,