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Steve Sed

TDS issue
« on: March 19, 2011, 12:29:25 pm »
I have a Pure Freeedom trolley setup. My water is coming out at 10 TDS. Have changed resin and flushed. I've had the system around 6 months, but as I was a fresh start, I'm still not full, so not making as much water as most of you would. I've not to date changed any filters as my output is quite low. Any ideas?

Re: TDS issue
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2011, 02:11:48 pm »
Change your Di resin if you do not have one buy on. Unless your tds is very low say 50.

Steve Sed

Re: TDS issue
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2011, 03:48:52 pm »
Hi. I've changed my resin. It's 34 after RO, but only coming down to 10 - 19. It's fluctuating. Weirdly on a flush, it's 9.

Re: TDS issue
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2011, 07:55:56 pm »
I have the same set up & have had it since sept.
I found that my TDS was rising (happened after the deep freeze - i think it was particles from the frozen pipes) & what i did was remove the three pre RO filter set up & wash it under the tap - the first filter was full of grit - keep rinsing till its white again & clean the carbon filter the same way & change the resin - all should then be ok
If not buy new pre filters (about £20 from PF)

Is it good quality resin you brought?

jason1

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Re: TDS issue
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2011, 11:01:37 pm »
you guys with the purfreedom trolley what flow rate do you use when cleaning first cleans then maintenance cleans

christopher b

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Re: TDS issue
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2011, 11:27:09 pm »
Hi. I've changed my resin. It's 34 after RO, but only coming down to 10 - 19. It's fluctuating. Weirdly on a flush, it's 9.

wow 34 after ro, not saying ro going west but on my system (not pure freedom) water enters ro @ 280 and exits @ 10. pre filters only catch large particles above 5 micron so seldom make any realy noticable change to tds

Steve Sed

Re: TDS issue
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2011, 08:05:38 am »
Up early & tried rinsing. Now down to 22 & 10 after DI. Am flushing currently but not hopeful that I can get it to a usable level.

Christopher, are you saying the membranes could be the cause?

Frankybadboy

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Re: TDS issue
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2011, 08:44:33 am »
are you using a 10" di vessel??????

if so get rid and get a 11ltr di vessel,problem sorted.

Re: TDS issue
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2011, 09:30:23 am »
you guys with the purfreedom trolley what flow rate do you use when cleaning first cleans then maintenance cleans

I normally use 18 - 20 as it gives enough to clean without the constant changing of barrels.

Still lucky if i use less than a barrel a house though.

Re: TDS issue
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2011, 09:34:05 am »
Up early & tried rinsing. Now down to 22 & 10 after DI. Am flushing currently but not hopeful that I can get it to a usable level.

Christopher, are you saying the membranes could be the cause?

Mine comes out at 5 after RO & 000 post resin - are you sure they have not been damaged by the severe weather ? - you know that with the tap handle inline with the pipe that is the flush mode ?

Steve Sed

Re: TDS issue
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2011, 11:53:30 am »
Up early & tried rinsing. Now down to 22 & 10 after DI. Am flushing currently but not hopeful that I can get it to a usable level.

Christopher, are you saying the membranes could be the cause?

Mine comes out at 5 after RO & 000 post resin - are you sure they have not been damaged by the severe weather ? - you know that with the tap handle inline with the pipe that is the flush mode ?

I had it prety well protected, but there was a frost on Friday & it was not as well protected that night. It's possible. Yep, I know the tap position. I will get onto Pure Freedom tomorrow.

Re: TDS issue
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2011, 07:11:28 pm »
Might be an idea to post some pic's of your set up, if PF don't know what the problem is.

christopher b

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Re: TDS issue
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2011, 11:31:51 pm »
Up early & tried rinsing. Now down to 22 & 10 after DI. Am flushing currently but not hopeful that I can get it to a usable level.

Christopher, are you saying the membranes could be the cause?

not really Steve, you only really use a RO to drop the TDS so the resin lasts longer. came across a rough rule of thumb with resin.
1 ltr of resin will take 20000 ppm before saturation, so if water is say 20 1 ltr resin should give 1000 ltr water before duff. but the more resin in vessel the more you can squeeze out!
if using one of the 10" housings with insert they hold about 0.75 ltr so @ 10 ppm should last about 1500 ltr

now those 10" housing inserts, there are 2 types one is rigid and the other more like a plastic bottle, you can squeeze in the sides!
in past I have found the latter type a right pain as they can deform slightly when you put it in the housing even when filled with resin. this can cause a slight leak through so your 22 ppm water after the ro could mix with the pure coming through the resin.

if all else fails get a small 11 ltr resin vessel and run it through that you could run the tap straight through that and still get 000. and if your putting 20 ppm through thats 11000 ltr plus before change.

and before I forget if using 20 ppm to clean windows you will go through a hell of a lot of water and still not get them done, and a piece of useless info rain water is on average 38 ppm!

Steve Sed

Re: TDS issue
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2011, 06:35:42 am »
Thank you. Good information.

Steve Sed

Re: TDS issue
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2011, 04:15:28 pm »
PF think it is probably the pre filters. I'll try them tomorrow. If not I guess the next thing is membranes.

A & J Owen Window Cleaning

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Re: TDS issue
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2011, 04:20:39 pm »
steve you might find its the cold weather thats buggering things up for you. same with me mate just cant keep the vessells warm enough. or it could be the pre filters dont last long mate try a taes without the ro attached just run throughg vessells see wat that comes out at .

Steve Sed

Re: TDS issue
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2011, 10:48:32 am »
Thanks all. All back to 0.00 now. It was it seems the pre-filters.

christopher b

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Re: TDS issue
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2011, 10:58:05 pm »
great stuff, this however reminds me "order some new filters"

Steve Sed

Re: TDS issue
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2011, 05:55:46 am »
great stuff, this however reminds me "order some new filters"

My wife wrote in the diary for me to order in 6 months. A load of stress & wasted time it was. I won't forget next time!