[AuRavelling79]

Well?

Although this has been posted "tongue-in-cheek" there is a serious point and my view is that if I didn't trust the guy then I wouldn't use him and if I didn't know him then I would draw up a brief statement saying that the subby would not clean that contract other than for me as long as I had the contract and for six months thereafter.

[Tosh]

Malc, Malc, Malc,

Pearl Harbour did indeed work for the Japanese and what a feat of planning, preparation, and technology it was too.

But I've got to go to a Bridesmaid's dress fitting; honest; so will fight later over this.

[Pj]

Not sure really...

A lot of my clients are quite particular, i don't know how they'd feel about a Japanese subbie?

[Mr Formby]

If its a new job and its in my area I would do it myself, and then sub out some of my older  work I wasnt bothered about loosing .

[williamx]

But I've got to go to a Bridesmaid's dress fitting; honest; so will fight later over this.

Finally coming out of the closet then

[AuRavelling79]

Malc, Malc, Malc,

Pearl Harbour did indeed work for the Japanese and what a feat of planning, preparation, and technology it was too.

But I've got to go to a Bridesmaid's dress fitting; honest; so will fight later over this.

It's an American base Tosh - so in American English it's "Harbor" not "Harbour!" Get a grip man.

Oh, and is this code for the fact that "Wor littl'un" is going to be bridesmaid at your wedding Tosh? Are you going to make an honest woman of "Wor lass"? Today's the day to propose after all!

[Tosh]

PJ,  .

Malc, yes, Wor Little Un was measured up for a bride's maid dress; but not my wedding, matey!  We're not religeous, we're married by mortgage and happy to remain that way.

We've both been married before - just not to each other - and all it really meant was forking out thousands of pounds for one day and feeding a lot of people you didn't know, or in other instances, didn't like.

I wouldn't recommend marraige to anyone!

But when it comes to subbing out accounts, I'd only sub out stuff I would be prepared to lose, but I would choose my sub-contractor carefully.  He'd have to be decent bloke, with a decent image, that wasn't too bright. 

[Mike 108]

Light the blue touch paper and retire..

[AuRavelling79]

But when it comes to subbing out accounts, I'd only sub out stuff I would be prepared to lose, but I would choose my sub-contractor carefully.  He'd have to be decent bloke, with a decent image, that wasn't too bright. 

I can't claim the first two qualities highlighted in red for myself but I certainly qualify on the last one!

[Tosh]

Malc,  I've got a few jobs you could do for me...

 

[Mike 108]

Malc

I don’t think your topic has received the serious responses that it was asking for.

Although I have never used sub-contractors, nor done any sub-contracting, I agree with what Ronnie Paton said in another thread –

"if someone was to sub to me and I was happy with the amount and they were happy with their cut, then why back-stab this man, it's below the belt and wrong."

There IS a moral issue here.

Obviously, if the main contractor was to lose the contract one year, the sub-contractor would be entitled to put his own price in the following year.

Mike 108

[Davo]

99% of the time, any sub contractor who quoted for a job that he was cleaning, would be a dog.

IMO there is no difference in a subcontractor stealing your work than an employee.

Mark

[Moderator David@stives]

What if that sub contractor was asked to quote because they wasnt happy with the guy who has the contract, and it was going out to quote.

would you walk away and watch some other guy win the contract.

[Mike 108]

In the above example, the sub-contractor has been placed into an awkward situation.

If the original contractor was a close colleague of mine I would probably explain the situation to him/her and try and work something out. I wouldn't want him/her to fall out with me.

If he wasn't a close colleague, I'd still tell him why I was quoting - to prevent him thinking I was going behind his back. He might not be happy - but at least I could look him in the face if we bumped into each other.

Really, the employer should inform the existing contract holder that the job was going out to fresh tenders and that he need not apply.

People should have certain principles in order to be happy with themselves.

Mike

[Davo]

What if that sub contractor was asked to quote because they wasnt happy with the guy who has the contract, and it was going out to quote.

would you walk away and watch some other guy win the contract.

Well if the client isnt happy with the contractor, theres not much point asking the subcontractor. When you say "not happy with the contractor" do you mean they want to see if they can get the same job done for less money, or that they arent happy with the standard of cleaning.

BTW i did say 99% of the time.

Mark

[Moderator David@stives]

It could be something other than the window cleaning, it could be his business manner etc

[sparklebright]

I would find someone new, and remove all his work to them, once someone has abused your trust they don't deserve the oppurtunity to do it twice, and then I would remove his head using a sword for he has brought shame on me.

(not really on the last bit, just keeping to the Japanese theme)