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derek west

Re: research
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2008, 10:54:37 pm »
mike,
i terry towel cos i don't want to scratch the skirting boards. plus i get a better result and its quicker.
when you say hand tool, do you mean like a drimaster or a proper edging tool wich looks a bit like a vaccuum attachment, if the latter, are they any good?
derek

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: research
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2008, 10:57:03 pm »
Nothing special just a 3" hand tool for upholstery but to be honest Derek I can't remember the last time I used one for edges, a bit of elbow grease with a towel seems to do the trick.

Shaun

ianharper

Re: research
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2008, 02:39:10 am »
with all the problems these days. cleaning packages are coming into their own. giving a prospect the choice of what they what done at what price, is the way to go.

removing stains, vacing, and moving furniture takes time, and we all know time is money. and that works both ways. people might save you time and in doing so save themselves money.

some people just want to dirt removed so why should they pay for say time that you allow for stain removal in your price?

just think about two different jobs, one where you vac, move everything, stain removal, ect, etc, and the second where the rooms empty and they have veced, no stains. is it fair to charge the same price for both jobs? if your ethical no.

on the other hand is it right for a person to expect us to spend hours stain removing and not expect to pay for that time? no. it cuts both ways.

When i talk about stains to  prospects its always my intention to teach them the difference between a spot and stain. its this message that's key for any chance for maintenance, be it going back each year or teaching them about carpet care.

Teaching people about carpet care should be our main task as this will lead us all in to a place where we working more for people that we have done work for in the past.

One thing that has always been strange is how if you where to go to the USA and put as much effort into your carpet cleaning business that you do in the UK how much more successful you would be. I think that Carpet care is much more important to them. why because they some much good advertising.

They know about USP and to be unique your message has to be different to other carpet cleaners. if its not then its only price that is the differance and we all know what people will go for then. the cheapest.

Different marketing message come and go in our business the last one was allergy, its the green one at the moment. but the market is much bigger than just one message at a time. the answer is education. but education in the right way. not the type we all learn at the cleaning schools but the type that answers those problems like "how do i get red wine out of my carpet" or why do i have black marks all around the edge of my carpet"

These are not my ideas or from JP's they come from Dan kennedy. I read a lot about the Internet and i see loads of Dan's ideas being used and developed for the Internet. they are good sound marketing rules. we don't need to know why they work just they do.

oops i gone on again. sorry -)

respect

Ian Harper




JandS

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Re: research
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2008, 09:27:18 am »
Surely it's quicker to slip on the hand tool and whip round the edges than mess about with towels.
Your on your hands and knees anyway with the towels.

John
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Ian Gourlay

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Re: research
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2008, 10:13:00 am »
Doesanyone use an edge wand.



derek west

Re: research
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2008, 05:31:59 pm »
Doesanyone use an edge wand.



and if so, are they any good?
derek

Paul Davidson

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Re: research
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2008, 07:39:50 pm »
Doesanyone use an edge wand.


I use my normal floor wand to do 90% of edges, and i'm pretty sure i dont scratch the skirtings!  I just use a hand tool for awkward corners and around the tv etc etc

colin thomas

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Re: research
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2008, 09:34:32 pm »
blind me, you lot are making me feel guilty, i just use the wand, i thought that is what it's  for?  i don't get complaints.

colin
colin thomas

clinton

Re: research
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2008, 09:53:59 pm »
Dont feel to guilty ;)

Jim_77

Re: research
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2008, 12:50:08 am »
Yet another advatage of a teflon guide... run it along skirtings and even most furniture without it causing scratches or dark lines!

Unless they're really in dire need of concentrated cleaning, I clean the edges by misting from the wand at 90 degrees from the wall and then extracting along the skirting as normal.

Oh... yet ANOTHER thing in the favour of glides is that because they raise the ride height of the wand a little bit, the fan jets extend further to the outside of the wand's pass, meanign that more water gets to the outside of the wand stroke.  This means that if you just run the wand along parallel to the skirting slow-ish, you'll get it wet enough right up to the edge to avoid having to do anything else.

Sold that glide yet Derek?  How's the back? :)

derek west

Re: research
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2008, 07:28:35 am »
backs killing, like it was  10 years ago.
glides still for sale, any girls are welcome to it. ;D
i'm a man jim, "i eat spuds for my tea".
derek

Jim_77

Re: research
« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2008, 01:02:21 am »
You'll be a crippled man after another 12 months of wrestling an unglided wand attached to a trucky :)

I eat fluff for my tea, then woodlice for dessert.

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: research
« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2008, 01:54:58 pm »
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I eat fluff for my tea

Jim would you care to rephrase that?

Shaun