[derek west]

this question is probably aimed at doug hollloway but any other techie guys can help if they can.
i'm a fan of hydramaters natural orange for upholstery but have also had good results with M/S.
both are relatively safe but sometimes i can't decide which to use.
so ive started thinking what if i mix the 2.

would both together give me a strong but safe solution to prespray and agitate before rinsing or would they counteract each other and end up being less powerful than one or the other independantly.

derek

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Derek there are a million billion zillion different combinations and reactions its hard to know what exactly would happen, if you are happy with either product just use one don't mix them as you may not like the result of the new chemical or you could have made something that could make £££s.

Shaun

Dear Mr patent I have this great idea........................whoops sorry!

[Gerry Styles]

Derek

Not sure what the different products are made up off, however the first rule of chemichal use is "NEVER MIX PRODUCTS"

[John Kelly]

Derek, Gerry's right. Anyway I wouldn't think you would end up with a stronger product. The stronger of the two would just come through. Try and get hold of an old cushion and do a side by side test. There are many products on the market all to do specific jobs. Don't restrict yourself.

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

Derek there are certain chemicals which it can be very dangerous to mix together, bleach and acid are a good example.

However with experience and some knowledge it is possible to 'improve' or adjust products by altering the pH or the buffering but in practice it is best to use as described by the manufacturere , who should have optimised the cleaning solution.

Different things can be added like enzymes, sodium hydroxide but it is not worth it unless you have an understanding of what you are trying to achieve.

It is good to be inquisitive and worth trying different products and noting what their pH is and how well they clean differing materials.

Cheers

Doug

[Ian Rochester]

Surely the Microsplitters would use up a lot of their energy trying to break down the natural orange solution instead of doing what they should be doing?

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

The trouble with this industry is that some suppliers come out with so much bull that their customers are confused by all the pseudo technical terms.

MS , sodium tripolyphosphate will not break down the natural orange and is a component of many cleaning chemicals.

It is the balance of the cleaning product, how much and how high it is buffered, the pH etc which will effect the performance.One reason I like Prochem is that they give clear instructions as to what can a nd can't be mixed.

I have thought about doing a brief explanation at next years CCDO, of some of the terms used in the CC industry and whether they are largely fact or fiction, nanotechnology is one of the more fanciful terms which springs to mind, pretty much meaningleass but sounds good  :

Cheers

Doug

[Ian Gourlay]

Heard on World Service this morning Nanotechnology has a bad press and  is a put off to consumers

[CARPET KNIGHTS]

Doug

I believe that the term nanotechnology when talking about protectors is referring to the size of the gaps left by the protector when it is cured ie. the gaps are nanometers across

Cheers Goron

Ps. a little off topic but watched a program last night about what life will be like in 2057, they are looking into (in present time) using flouro carbons to replace the blood of people suffering head trauma as they are much smaller than red blood cells and can get through crushed viens and arteries and can hold much more oxygen thus supplying the brain with valuable oxygen and preventing brain damage. Interesting isn't it what you can do with different chemicals. so the next time you fall over and injur your head just inject yourself with protector!

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

Goron, the gaps between almost all molecules would be measured in nanometers because this is the size molecules are !

It's a bit like calling road building milotechnology

All a nanometre is 10 to the power minus nine of a metre i.e 0.000000001m

Atoms are measured in Angstroms, 10 to minus 10 but nobody has yet suggested Angsttechnology, bit of a mouthful.

Ian you are spot on about people being put offf by these terms, lets face it most are not stupid.

Cheers

Doug