[Timmy Boy]

Hi all
Looking through prochems list of extraction chemicals it seems that the only extraction chemical that would be compatible with their pre sprays is fabric and fibre rinse. I want to change from this as I am spending a fortune in Fabric and fibre rinse and want to move to a powder but my thoughts still come back to maintaining the PH. What is the point in selling something such as carpetclean XL or heatwave when they do not sell a PH compatible pre spray. Although I accept that Fabric and fibre is a good product I would like something with a bit more grunt!
Am I right to be concerned about this or does PH not play as big a part when using a truckmount.
thanks in advance
Tim

[derek west]

use clearwater rinse from hydramaster. excellent product and goes a long way, 1 pint to a 5 gallon rinse tank.
derek

[markpowell]

Tim,
Have you considered using just fresh water to rinse?
Mark

[elliott cleaning]

When you say that you like F & F but would prefer something with a bit more grunt, what exactly do you mean.   F & F is a rinse agent which also helps to neutralise if you use high ph presprays.
Rinse agents are not there for 'grunt'.  Thats what you need from your presprays.  Carpet XL is mainly intended for low profile and can be used in conjuction with most presprays.  In fact you can use it as a prespray in itself

If you are using a t/m & high flushing, I wouldn't get to knotted up about the ph issue

[cleaningmaster]

Tim
I seem to remember that there was a thread, not too long ago, that someone said you could use Chemspec High heat as that was on the acid side.

Daryl

[richie]

The high performance of a TM via rinsing & extraction will remove high ph with plain water.....I TESTED THIS THEORY.  I do however use a acidic rinse on carpets that require the need to be stabilized.  Acidic rinse agents also make wool carpets softer to the touch.

Richie.

[mark shannon]

use clearwater rinse from hydramaster. excellent product and goes a long way, 1 pint to a 5 gallon rinse tank.
derek

Second that great product  use it on most jobs. 75mls all i need in my porty.

Mark

[Timmy Boy]

thanks for the reply guys, anyone tried heatwave?

[Robert Watson]

Hi Tim,
I like Fibresafe Gold.

"Fibresafe Gold
A safe and effective powdered extraction detergent for wool and stain resistant nylon carpets. Approved by the “Woolsafe” Organisation for use on Wool and Wool-rich carpets. Fibresafe Gold incorporates a self neutralising pH system which reduces the risk of colour bleed, texture change and re-soiling. Yellow powder with green apple fragrance.
Dilution 1 to 333 pH 8
Case Qty. 4 x 4K Unit 4K Code S780-04"

Cheers
Rab.

[mark shannon]

Yep agree with Rabby another great chem but i find powders not great on porty pumps.

[markpowell]

Mark,
Mix powder in boiling water to make sure all crystals get disolved, then add to solution tank. This is what prochem technical advised me to do when i once mentioned the possible problems with pumps. i have always done this and never had any probs.
Mark

[mark shannon]

Thanks Mark i used to mix it up in hot tap water but on busy days sometimes just a quick mix  so moved over to liquids.

[Mike Halliday]

the experts have always said you pre-spray with a high Ph pre-spray then rinse with a neutralising solution such as F & F rinse to return the carpet or fabric to an acid side state.

now the 'experts' are rinsing with freshwater which is either neutral or can be slightly alkaline so what happened to the original neutralizing theory?

My opinion is remove the pre-spray not neutralise it, which is done with lots of flushing water.

so if you want ( and its safe to do so) use a high Ph pre-spray that's Ok but it's important  that all the pre-spray is removed, then the subsequent Ph of the carpet  is the Ph of the rinse.

I use Chemspec Enzall and rinse with Crftex woolsafe powder , so i leave carpets with a neutral Ph, although some detergent is left in the carpet not enough to have any residual harmful effect

[stuart_clark]

I dont think the Powder is actually woolsafe Mick ! but rather there branded name low ph wool cleaner I think if memory serves me correct its acidic  ! so yes would neutrelise

[Mike Halliday]

nope, it's PH 7

I've actually got its the name wrong its called fibresafe not woolsafe, the liquid is called woolcare.