[John Kelly]

Jim, I think you hit the nail on the head. I sell a fair bit of the stuff so there are cleaners who use it regularly. As you say it can take some getting used to and it doesn't give you that instant hit like some detergents do. They are also one of the best hard surface cleaners available. As a spray and maintain without polish, absolutely brilliant. Takes a while to get the existing crap off.

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

Good discussion.

Jim, I have received more abuse than most for daring to go against the line which was being pushed so do agree, when you speak to CC's privately they are much more forthcoming.

I use Prochem Pureclean, microsplitter to some, on most of my jobs and find it very versatile in achieving excellent results and one of the things I like is the one chemical approach.

Like Jim with his colloids I find it works better at a higher concentration.

I will have to order some Nemesis from John and give it another go .I know these products are basically American and they have lots of synthetic carpets, might be worth putting the question on an American board

One of the most difficult things is CC is comparison.

We all hear the 'product XYZ did an amazing job' but often this is a case of many chemicals being able to achieve this.

Coming from a chemistry background, I like to experiment but am put off by hype/wild claims, in my experience in the lab those reps promising the earth usually had inferior products to the those having a more technical approach.

It was very rare to hear any technical guy make 'greatest product ever' claims, this was usually left to salesman.

Cheers

Doug

[Ian Gourlay]

Depending  on carriage costs i think I might try it on my cats.

Jim you work with a Ninja so I should be able to ape your results

Now  do I also add an oddur kill aswell or shall i apply that if it does not work.

[Mike Osbourne]

I have some Nemisis for when I see a customer with the very expensive organic vegetable delivery box sitting in the kitchen.

This means they are very happy to pay silly money for what they believe is good for them and will save the planet.

And yes I am very cynical sorry greenies.

[Jim_77]

Give it another go Doug

Ian - you plan to clean your CATS with a colloidal?!!  Or was that a typo?

Mike, I must admit I share your cynicism about "green" cleaning.  I don't market my services from a green angle, although like you if I think that mentioning the "eco-friendliness" of the product will have some bearing on the customer's decision to buy, I'll damn well make sure I tell them!

We turn up in a van made from all sorts of materials using untold amounts of resources to produce them, having burned some fuel that has caused pollution (even if it is 20% cooking oil, which is still burning things and polluting the atmosphere anyway).

We set up equipment made from an equally wide range of materials and probably each piece of that equipment had been shipped around the world consuming copious amounts of fuel and energy.

We then apply products which have been processed in a plant consuming vast amounts of power, packaged in plastic containers and then shunted around the world using a load more diesel.

We plug in to the national grid which is powered largely by burning fossil fuels (or we start up our fossil fuel-burning truckmounts).

We tip the remnants of our work into the sewage system (don't we all? ) which uses yet more energy to process it and finally discharges the waste into our rivers.

I refuse to believe that the cleaning product we use has any measurable effect on the overall environmental impact of cleaning carpets.

But anyway, that's a different topic

[John Kelly]

Jim, you are a very sensible person, hats off.

[Jim_77]

I wonder if Mr Moss still thinks I'm John Bolton lol

[Ian Gourlay]

Jim John im not a sennsible person cleaning my cat is my wraped sense of hummor.
Thought if I erradicated the smell at source it would solve problem.


Jim thats what I have been saying for years regarding Green Issues
Most people who show concern about what cleaning Solutions we use are concerned about product saftey

I was going to keep quiet about this one as I did not want to jepodise my relationship with the company

But about a month ago I asked a company who produce a Healthy Home Range of Cleaning Chemicals  if I could have a Certificate or letter from them say that the Healthy Home Range is Safe for Childen.  I needed it for Schools I clean for.

For some reason they have been unable to issue me with such a letter, although they did send me a Promite Certificate

[carlton care]

Good to hear common sense for a change.................