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mark.laycock1@ntlw

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graffiti removal
« on: December 27, 2007, 08:06:54 am »
good morining . would hot washer only no chemicals remove graffiti?
mark

Rob_Mac

Re: graffiti removal
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2007, 12:41:54 pm »
Mark

Pressure washer alone will remove some graffiti. As with chewing gum removal there are many surfaces to consider and one will not necessarily work on them all.

We use a gel for some brickwork and a spray on for others. You need to know your surfaces and whether the graffiti chemical will strip more than just the graffiti  - for instance graffiti on painted doors - use a gel remover and leave it on too long it will strip the paint off the door as well.

If you want to come down to see us in action and the kit we use you are more than welcome

Rob ;D

ronnie paton

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mark.laycock1@ntlw

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Re: graffiti removal
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2007, 01:58:07 pm »
hi rob, am from chester where could i find you? what chemical do you use on brick.mark
mark

trevor perry

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Re: graffiti removal
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2007, 09:45:06 pm »
hi mark
  for graffiti we use the chemicals from graffitihotline they are enviromentally friendly and can be washed straight to drain they are very safe to use we have also found them to need very little dwell time, most times 5 minutes is enough wheras some brands need leaving on for 30 minutes.
   as rob said alot depends on what surface the graffiti is on and if wrong chemical is used then a lot of damage can be caused, for some smooth surfaces you will find that all you need is graffiti wipes to do the job.
  i would highly recomend going on graffitihotline training course it lasts one day and it is very practical so you get to try out the various chemicals and techniques and you get a manual which helps you identify which chemical to use.
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

Rob_Mac

Re: graffiti removal
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2007, 11:24:45 pm »
Ronnie

Earlier on in the year we cleaned Fallowfields in Manchester, Warrington, Wigan - they are all local to you. We don't have anything northern booked in just yet but I am sure by the time we kick back in on January 10th there will be other stores to price up.

On the 10th we are in Sydenham - Kent if anyone wants to come and say hello and then when we are done there we will be working a store in Watford.

Mark that is solid advice from Trevor. We are based by Alton Towers about 15 miles from Stoke on the way to Derby.

Gaining a solid understanding of the different surfaces is paramount as there are many different types of brick and block/slab and the graffiti may have been put on with pen, aerosol, paint etc - there are too many variables to say that one treatment will solve all problems and I always access any graffiti on a site visit and get in chemical that is specific to the graffiti.

Anyone can pick up a pressure washer and say that they are a professional  operation but the proof will be in how the whole situation is managed and on the end results.

I admire your desire to understand the principles of the service and the way you are asking lots of questions but the easiest way of gaining a more rounded understanding would be to work alongside an already established team and getting to see a much broader picture.

I will give you a run down of a typical day.

On site we cover everything from platform work at high level, windows, canopies, walls, lower level elevated surfaces, kerbs, block/slab, tarmac & concrete surfaces, trolley bays, signage, graffiti removal, chewing gum removal, compactor areas.

When you look at your local supermarket - what you see we will clean - everything inside the boundary and some of the areas directly touching the supermarket.  Often the stores have sponsored and or paid for community centres, doctors surgerys, pavements or other communal areas these will also be cleaned.

On a typical day we may clear out the guttering over an elevated roof and then clean all the cladding.

Another day may be cleaning several hundred metres of store cladding. There wil always be graffiti on carpark signage, walls or other surfaces, we carry about 25 chemicals for a typical store clean.

Other equipment in the van will always be

Generator ( to use for power at night for lights etc) for dry steam machine, 3 cold pressure washers, hot pressure washer, blast panels, 100s metres of orange meshing, cones, about 200 metres of high pressure hoses, fuel cans - diesel & petrol, brushes/shovels, cloths, scrubbing brushes, 5 or 6 lances, power pole set up with a turbo nozzle, 7metre lance with turbo nozzle, numerous various surface chemicals, window cleaning kits, wfp stuff, PPE including harnesses, hard hats etc, signs, water fill up taps and hoses and whatever else I have forgotten.

When we turn up on site we have all this kit in the main van towing the trailer which has another 1000litre IBC tank in it and then there is my van with 400 litre tank and all wfp kit in it.

With this set up we have the option of working in 3 different areas on site completely independantly and or me going to another store and doing sample cleans or even working at 3 different locations all at the same time.

My set up is always van doors open and then create a safe working area around where we are working, orange meshing, cones and barriers, I always make sure as far a spossible to keep the van and equipment and all hoses within this area. I still have to keep an eye out for people breaching this area and stopping all work if this happens. We never fill up machines whilst they are running - we carry fire extinguishers in case of fire in the vans.

Only when the safety is right do we kick in the machines.

My lads always wear ear defenders, eye protection, hi viz jackets, hard hats and gloves as well as their work uniforms and outer shells.

Nothing we do is done by a half measure and to show our commitment and the way my lads will work for me we cleaned a store in Stevenage in October, we had come on site on the close down week and worked 8-4 till the wednesday before opening on the wednesday we turned up at 6 in the morning and started to snag. At 9 o clock they started to pull up the carpark that we had cleaned 3 or 4 times as they weren't happy with the depth of the tarmac that had been laid. They finished relaying at about 5 in the afternoon we finished at 9 o clock on the Thursday morning -  store reopen day -27 hour shift.

Our client expects us to deliver and to do what it takes to get the job done. That doesn't happen very often but we have picked up so much experience over the last 12 months that we could clean anything that was thrown at us now.

I am happy for anyone to come along and spend some time with us - obviously dependant on where we are working so when we get cleans lined up in future I will post where we are and if peeople want to come and see us at work you are welcome.

Rob ;D




allyoops

Re: graffiti removal
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2007, 10:26:21 am »
Rob,thanks for the most comprehensive reply I have ever read on this forum,you obviously run an extremely professional set up on a scale much larger than most of us,I for one would love to come and observe your guys in operation.
Its a really generous offer to post where you will be working and to let us observe,anywhere in South Wales would be great for me and I will be only to glad to lend a hand F.O.C.,thanks again and a good new year to you all.Cheers Neil

Rob_Mac

Re: graffiti removal
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2007, 12:41:01 pm »
Allyoops

We still all look like a bag of s%£te at the end of the day - with mud up our faces and stinking of diesel & unleaded, with lots of grit in our hair.

Your welcome to come along when we are in your area

Rob ;D

pro-clean

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Re: graffiti removal
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2007, 02:20:33 pm »
hi Rob (midas)
well can i just say reading your post  has been extremely intresting,  i like your attitude towards your work very professional,  you seem to take care of your clients as well as your staff  and put the necessary  h & s in place to protect the public, although we carry out pressure washing it isn't a major part of our work and i believe our standards are extremely high, i believe i have learnt a thing or two from your post
well done and have a prosperous new year  :)

Richie
Cleaning ..it for a living

Rob_Mac

Re: graffiti removal
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2007, 02:43:21 pm »
Pro

We are in a very fortunate position - working at such a high level all over the country and I am very aware that we can trade forever more from the use of just the one name.

I am ultimately responsible for the icing on the cake of every store we clean and it will be down to my eye for detail that will keep the client happy. I am obsessed with offering the biggest cleaning services package from one supplier that there is in the current market place.

I look at the likes of OCS and the other national service providers and see all too often a lack of principles passed down the ranks, there is no commitment to the end product and therefore there is a market for offering a better more personal service that will give the client exactly what they want.

If you strive to improve and are capable of offering an excellent end product, you stand out like a sore thumb and people do notice.

Whatever level of service someone has had before it can always be improved upon. We don't have the shiniest vans or the biggest machines but  I have created a culture within my team of we can do it better/ safer.

I ain't selfless in this - I charge high and earn well. I haven't really done a lot of work since Mid November but I have a team who work well without me being there.and who are also paid very well.

The step up to national work has been costly and my hair is much greyer than it was at the beginning of the year and I have spent most of the  year willing invoices to be paid out.

There is a massive market out there at mind blowing prices per day but the price has to match the end product.

I wish you all a very prosperous new year and if you dream big be prepared when the opportunity comes knocking.

Rob ;D

ronnie paton

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Re: graffiti removal
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2007, 03:10:04 pm »
rob thanks if you keep me updated i would defo like to dee you in action and would try and spare a day to travel but not to far.

Thanks rob

trevor perry

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Re: graffiti removal
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2007, 04:06:46 pm »
hi rob
     you have mentioned the prices you are achieving and i was wondering how you go about convincing the clients to pay these amounts, most our contracts are for 3 years and at the end of the term they go out for tender and like you said when it comes down to standards then the likes of ocs etc dont offer a very high standard but if our prices are not in the same price bracket as these other firms then we will not get the work even though they know they would get a better service with our firm.
  trevor perry
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

Rob_Mac

Re: graffiti removal
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2007, 04:29:00 pm »
Trevor

A long time ago I set a day rate that I expected to achieve when the time was right and this would be the rate till we had work 365 days per year, This was based on pressure washing only. We are offering so many variables on the service with so much kit and experience that I feel it is justified.

I wont say that the client is not bothered by what we charge but experience costs. I am no more experienced than you in this field but it seems that our clients are aware that it will cost to expect top quality.

When we clean the stores we clean we could be off them within two weeks - all other work is add ons and going over the areas already cleaned. With multiple contractors all operating on top of each other they invariably create mess that we have to be on straight away - to this end they don't seem to care about cost - we are on day or night rate so we do as we are told - a £2000.00 job becomes a £4000.00 job.

We have talked to a lot of people over the years and to expect £500.00 a day for a two man team is not high charging

None of our work is on tenders - that may be why there is a difference they will look for the cheapest price.

We go about getting work away from tender for these reasons and target multiple outlet operations who are looking to utilise a high standard of end product at all their sites.

When you do the work that you have priced are you pricing for a 2 man team -  a two man team costs me roughly £170 per day on wages plus NI and tax, running costs, accomodation, fuel etc - not a lot of change out of £200.00

Rob ;D

trevor perry

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Re: graffiti removal
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2007, 04:46:53 pm »
hi rob
   yes with this kind of work we always run a two man team and your costs for wages are similar to our rates, as we are not a national company and only work within driving distance then we dont have any accomodation charges, for a typical day i would be expecting about £300 out of this 60% or £180 would cover wages ni and holiday pay etc the other 40% would be running costs and my profit but as i am usually a part of the two man operation obviously half the wage bill would be for myself.
   on larger regular contracts our rates are even a lot lower than this but because more men are working at once then the profit for each man doesnt need to be as high.
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

Rob_Mac

Re: graffiti removal
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2007, 10:17:15 pm »
Trevor

 I don't quite understand if you have two men on a team and charge £300.00 for this - should it not be £600.00 for 4 men.

After all they are getting twice as much work done.

Rob ;D

trevor perry

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Re: graffiti removal
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2007, 10:25:09 am »
hi rob
       yes i agree it should be £600 but it doesnt seem to work that way the more men you have on a site then the national companies seem to reduce their rates and we have to compete to keep the work, some of our work is regular daily powerwashing in food factories which is very price orientated the factory provides all work equipment and we have to provide men and know how at the drop of an hat ,the pricing for this work is very similar to office cleaning prices but is much harder and you are sh-t up when finished. The good thing about it is that it is regular work the bad side is the profit margins are very poor compared to one of cleans and you cant really pay the staff what you would like to pay them.If i could build up enough one of cleans in winter months then i would drop these factories very quick but i find from october to march the one off cleans dry up so we rely on this poorer work at these times.
  Like you said rob since you went national you have had the work but it has obviously given you other headaches and i can imagine what these are ,my business to provides me with more than its fair share of problems and long working hours so i suppose with this kind of business life will never be a bed of roses and which ever way we decide to grow our businesses it isnt as easy as people think.
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

mark bowditch

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Re: graffiti removal
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2007, 01:26:47 pm »
Hi Rob
 
Excellent post nice to see there are still helpful people out there and running a professional setup

I'm just getting ready to start my pressure washing business hopefully about March and I would love to come and observed
 Even helping out and getting ditty I don't mind I'm not that far from Sydenham
My e-mail address is hardlandscaping@ntlworld.com

All the best and a happy new year
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