[*paul_moss]

Ken
lap top/ broad band,I do it most nights.
Now stop defending. Unless you are also part of the empire 

[Mike Osbourne]

You say that, but my girlfriend doesn't know when I'm on the phone and the tinternet when she's going on and on about her day and who said what to whom in great detail.

So it is possible it was him.

[Ken Wainwright]

Paul

Clattering pans, burning fingers, dropping a plate, laying the table.sipping a drink. JB was DEFINATELY not at a keyboard whilst we were talking.

It's only women who can truly multi task

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Even if it wasn't him the experiences of what has happened isolating forum members then it's a matter of being tarred with the same brush!

If you won't let cleaners cross the forums you can't be expected to do it yourself although not being able to defend ones self is unfare but the war started years ago, I can even remember the fall out about PMing and website links.No one person will benefit from it.

Shaun

[stevegunn]

Nemesis  must be quite a bit different to M Power then.

M Power, once added to water, will remain active >3days. It will then degrade within 14 days so it virtually becomes water.  So my advice is don't copy Steve's exercise with M Power or there will be tears

I feel this as an attack on what I was saying no where in my post did I mention mpower so why did Ken bring it up?Did I advocate doing the same with mpower no so why the need for Ken to put doubt in what I was saying.Ken as an NCCA director should be impartial or is their something underhanded going on here?

We all know they (we know who they are) can still view the forum but cannot comment are they getting others to give their views.As Ken has stated he has been on the phone to JB getting the facts right.Are they so worried that everyone is going to jump ship and start using nemesis?

[Ken Wainwright]

Steve

I wasn't trying to put down Nemesis in any way, and felt that I made it clear from the outset in my initial post by suggesting that there are differences between the two brands in question. I was, incorrectly we now know, trying to heed caution to the users of the similar to Nemesis product called M Power.

Being an experienced CC, but at the same time being on record as to admitting that I failed O level Chemistry, I was attempting to pass on information for M Power users that I had received at a seminar. It would now appear that that info applied to only certain criteria re. decomposition of the product, and that given different circumstances, the products decomposition, and hence performance drop-off, could be halted.

We all make mistakes whether or not they were intentional. My working knowledge on this matter was incomplete as I suspect was the case with many other CIU Members, Dene being a classic example.  From the feedback received on CIU in a very short time, I then made the effort to clarify the situation re. M Power for all our benefits and reported back to CIU.

At no time was I looking to discredit yourself and I think people who know me would confirm that that is not my style.
It would appear that I was in error in my initial posting, which I have since corrected, and I'm sorry that you didn't read it the way I was intending.

As an NCCA Director, and also the only one who is in regular communications with our industry via the forums, I do have a duty to remain impartial. As such, I am always aware of the fine line that is drawn between promotion and passing on experiences. Some people will draw that line in different places. The only alternative to walking this line is for all NCCA Directors to be banned from the forums. If anyone thinks that this is a preferable course to take, then  become a member, propose the motion at the (postponed) AGM and vote on it. On the other hand, if you feel that it is of benefit to the industry for an NCCA Director to be actively involved in forum life, continue with your support.

Steve,  you must have something specific in mind to suspect that something underhanded is going on, so please air your thoughts and I will clarify the situation. It is well known on these forums that I am only a VERY light user of chemicals sourced from Cornwall so have no personal allegiance to the brand.

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[stevegunn]

HI Ken

The problem lies with what you were told originally about the product as a high profile Ncca director I can see why you were asked to test the product as your views carry a lot of weight.If you said how good the product is your views would sway a lot of people sitting on the sidelines.Good marketing by the man in Cornwall?The same was tried for the allergstop network get high profile members to join then the flock would follow he was desperate to get Mike Halliday on board.

Fair enough you can only pass on information given to you but how many would accept what Ken Wainwright is saying and not challenge your findings because of your position.

As for NCCA directors on the forums there is a fine line I personally think its a good thing you are actively involved just at times your support you be a little more impartial we all know you use mpower,m/s ,use a scorpion and d/f.

From another forum quote from yourself

"A few days ago, I had a houseful to do. Previous owners had the carpet cleaned at some time. 80/20 wool tuft. Lots of rust, no probs, but four nice red furniture stains. A squirt of Magic Power, a little bit of "Jason Shuffle" with my size 8's and an hour later they'd almost gone. Repeat. Perfect"
 

[Ken Wainwright]

I can see more clearly where you're coming from now Steve.

I can appreciate why a company would want me or a high profile industry figure to be seen to be using their product. In this instance I don't think it has been beneficial for that company as I am on record as stating that I find this newer generation of chemicals as being of little benefit to me in everyday use, but a useful tool to me as an occasional problem solver.

The instance you used in your final paragraph is a classic example of "walking the line ".  Red furniture stains are a very real problem in our industry, typically proving to be permanent. I had a case of TOTAL success without any pile or colour damage. Should I keep it to myself or report it to my colleagues? There is no way that I could report my findings without suggesting the product used. Whether this procedure can be repeated with equal success I don't know as I have not had the opportunity to repeat it. The lack of  user feedback then suggests that others have not tried it.  As we both agree, it's a fine line that I must walk.

In the future, the impartiality issue will not be an issue for me.

Have a good weekend whilst we still have some sunshine

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[PaulKing]

In the future, the impartiality issue will not be an issue for me.

go on ken, do tell, I love a bit of intrigue! are you jumping ship to be a rep for someone?