always the last thing people say... the cost.... like websites etc, draw you in , then drop a price in.... last.
I must be a differnt breed then Gazza I say the costs straight away for website design saves beating round the bush, time is money to everyone some just dont know it 
god that did sound bad , i wasnt referring to you honest..... was a double glazing, kitchens, anything type pun.... meaning people always say... heres how to make more money..... and never tell us what it costs us until we are sucked in...
god do i hate that sales pitch too, .. been in sales years before this game ... seen how they are brainwashed, trained whatever you want to call it...
never used that approach ever, very cras and transparent.