[John Kelly]

This is mild compared to some of the humdingers we used to have on here. A good row does make it more interesting.

[Jaybee]

polonium i would not drink, but do you drink tap water, do you know whats in it? smart arse! you forget that cfr solutions are safe & environmentally friendly. quote; "many chemicals used to clean carpets contain volatile organic compounds, chemicals can provoke even worse allergic reactions for weeks after cleaning. the solvent-free cfr system is formulated to remove more soil than conventional carpet cleaning solutions & promote a safe, healthy, & productive environment" & "the cfr chemical system is scientifically formulated for optimal performance with the cfr recycling workstation"  jaybee i strongly recommend that you try to get some formal training regarding this cleaning process & then you will learn from this how its formulations work. quotes were taken from the cfr 106 brocure, so you know that  i'm not making it up.     freshi 

Ahhh I get it - you got your "facts" from the suppliers of the machine. You must be a salesmans dream

I am not arguing with you - I am merely putting across my observations of the machine in an objective manner which certainly is a long way from the sales patter you will hear from Mr. CFR Salesman.

[Fresh Clean]

no i'm not a sales man's dream, i did alot of research before going down this line of cleaning, infact i had been chewing it over for easily a good year! why did you buy 1 if all ya gonna do is knock it & those that use this system! i wonder do you blindly buy something without finding out what it does? ya can't win with you, if give advice you question it, if you give a factual statement i'm brainwashed, & you don't want an arguement! freshi 

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Sorry Freshi but I like the way he's going about the love hate relationship about buying the machine.

When we buy things we can all get buyers remorse and weighing up the pros and cons of have I spent my hard earned dosh well goes through every ones mind. I prefer the openess as our egos can always say on the outside to the forum "well it's the best thing I've ever bought should have done it years ago!"

It takes time to change to a new system and when you are making a living you don't always have that time when the order book is full and if it is not the system for you then you off load it.

Carry on please.

Shaun

 

[Fresh Clean]

shauni, i understand in what you say, but mr jaybee has already purchased one & then is asking or poking negativity at it, surely with this sort of cleaning process it is imperitive to do your research 1st, you only have to browse the other postings on this thread to see the sense in this. freshi   

[Shaun_Ashmore]

He bought a CFR perfect heat the other day.

A few years ago I can remember it being demoed at the NEC, my initial thoughts would be to Truckmount it as it had 2 vacs, (not 1 as on a prostation) heat and run it from a Rascal van but I had already committed to a petrol TM.

Shaun

[carpetguy]

Freshi
I think everyone's a bit confused by Jaybee and I suggest you accept that you have purchased an excellent machine which is capable of dealing with virtually anything you are likely to come across. If you have 75 feet of hose you will be able to leave the machine outside 90% of the houses you clean.
Don't get involved in negativety if you want to be a success in life. Some people  only ever find fault or look for problems, ignore them as they can sew doubt in others minds and destroy confidence in products, or procedures or worse still, self. Do not get involved. Read another posting, look for marketing ideas as Nike Say " Just Do It "

[Jaybee]

no i'm not a sales man's dream, i did alot of research before going down this line of cleaning, infact i had been chewing it over for easily a good year! why did you buy 1 if all ya gonna do is knock it & those that use this system! i wonder do you blindly buy something without finding out what it does? ya can't win with you, if give advice you question it, if you give a factual statement i'm brainwashed, & you don't want an arguement! freshi 

Which of my statements about CFR do you think is untrue then? And if they aren't untrue what's your problem with me posting them? Are we only allowed to post positive things on here or something? I have  positive things to say about the machine as well as negative ones, I was merely giving my initial reactions to using the machine that's all. As it happened, two days later I managed to break my hourly record for domestic work (meaning the most most money I have made in an hour), thanks mostly to not having to change the water.

So already the CFR is making me more money than my Numatic was on large jobs, but that should be expected as it is a much more expensive machine. However the downside is that for a simple lightly soiled lounge carpet I could be in and out of the job a lot faster with my Numatic than with the CFR so in that respect it will be a hinderence. I can see that I am definitely going to have to introduce a minimum order charge if I were to do every job with the CFR.

[Joe H]

Glad you are getting used to the CFR. Like you I spent a lot of money on it but never regretted it and never lost a nights sleep (and I am a worrier)

but its horses for courses Jaybee.

If you have room in your van it might be best to take a choice of equipment - that be your CFR or your Pneumatic or other machines.

Then when you get to the job just use the minimum to do a good job.
If that mans you use the Pneumatic then thats fine - less hours on the CFR.

Of course, what you charge is up to you - you may choose to have 2 rates - one for the CFR and  lower one for the Pneumatic.
Personally as long it was a good job and the customer is happy I would have just one charge - the higher one.

[northstar]

These are all interesting comments on the CFR system.
Here's another thought regarding the design of the CFR wand: the jet nozzles are housed in the same enclosure as the vacuum (unlike a conventional wand design). Therefore the solution being sprayed from the machine is subject to the force of the vacuum the instant it leaves the nozzle. It stands to reason, therefore, that the carpets are drier, but is this simply because the solution is being sucked away before it has properly penetrated the carpet fibres?
Given the design difference of the CFR wand, it seems to me that it is fairly meaningless to compare the psi of a CFR machine to that of a conventional HWE machine.

[trevor perry]

northstar that is the conclusion i came to when i saw the machine demonstrated so i stuck with what i already knew and bought another ninja.

[Joe H]

"Here's another thought regarding the design of the CFR wand"


Thoughts are one thing - what happens in reality may be totally different.

You cant beat having a demo and working the machine yourself.

Now after 16 months of owning working a CFR 500 I KNOW it digs deep for dirt
and
I KNOW it leaves the carept fairly dry

all due to the design I am sure.