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woodman

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Visit from the VAT inspector (long)
« on: November 09, 2004, 01:10:02 pm »
In May of this year I had a VAT inspection of my books, nothing unusual in that you might say apart from the fact it was the first one in ten years.

Very nice lady spent 4-5hrs going through everything including my diaries dating back 10 years.

She went away and I did not think to much about it, until I received the assessment.  Apparantly I owed them £12600 :o

Now I know, as there always is, something I'd got wrong or over looked and I was quite prepared to have to pay something but this was a major kick in the nuts.

There were large areas of underpayments on my part for which I could not understand.I queried this and the letter I got back was not only very petty as they brought up trips my wife had made in the vehicle which did not in their opinion come under business use.( one was when my son left his football kit at home and she ran it up to him ::)).Other parts of the letter threatened interest and fines if not settled and other crap with which they were trying to frighten me with ,to make me cough up.So much for the nice lady act.

This only enraged me >:( so I immediately went to appeal and got my book keeper to look into all aspects of her assessment, very quickly discrepencies in HER calculations cropped up, I then contacted the FSB and put them on standby should I need them.

Today my book keeper and I went to a meeting at customs and excise with her and her boss.My book keeper didn't hang about he went straight in and asked her to explain one quarter in which I apparantly underpaid by £4800 and how she arrived at this figure as my total sales would have had to have been £48000 for that quarter which they clearly were not (if only ;D).

Her boss looked perplexed and asked her to explain, oh the joy, as I watched  as this woman started to flush and squirm in her chair as she flicked through paper work that meant nothing and come to the conclusion that in fact the under payment amounted to £13.00 :o :o.She was only £4787 out.

As it went on it became clear there were several errors which basically halved the bill at a stroke and we have to make further checks as and when the new assessment comes in.

Their passing shot was I will still have to pay interest charges on the overdue amount >:( but this should be negligable.

Moral is check every thing don't take them at their word, if you think its wrong appeal, how many thousands pay up with out a word it must make 100's millions over the years for the treasury. I am sure I must have done in the past with lesser amounts.


Martin S

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Re: Visit from the VAT inspector (long)
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2004, 01:52:38 pm »
Good on ya Trevor.  Sock it to 'em.

Regards.

Martin S
Martin

Re: Visit from the VAT inspector (long)
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2004, 02:02:43 pm »
CC 1 - IR 0  ;D

mark_roberts

  • Posts: 1899
Re: Visit from the VAT inspector (long)
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2004, 02:07:57 pm »
I'm confused.

Did your accountant make mistakes in preparing your books over the years?

If so, should he not carry the can too?

Mark

woodman

  • Posts: 1069
Re: Visit from the VAT inspector (long)
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2004, 02:18:18 pm »
Spot on Mark,

He's got the tin tack >:( never spotted a thing the useless  *$*£*r.


But my book keeper is red hot, I've only had him since February and I couldn't be with out him now.

If there is one bit of advice I could give any one on here new start or old is get a good keeper they are worth every penny.

Mike Halliday

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Re: Visit from the VAT inspector (long)
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2004, 03:24:15 pm »
Woodman, you say they looked at 10yrs of diaries, were you VAt reg' throughout this 10 year period? or did you go back further than you've been vat reg'd

how much did this cost you in accountacy fee to have your bookkeeper ckeck out the VAT's estamates.

how much did it cost totally to appeal.

Mike
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

woodman

  • Posts: 1069
Re: Visit from the VAT inspector (long)
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2004, 04:37:14 pm »
Hi Mike

Yes VAT registered all that time,

It cost me £250.00 for the book keepers fees including attending the appeal.

Money well spent ;)


George-Reid

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Re: Visit from the VAT inspector (long)
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2004, 06:52:56 pm »
Next time go to the FSB first thats one of the things they are their for and want cost you a penny.
Well worth the yearly subs.
Glad it worked out well done
Cheers

George
Spectrum Advanced Services Ltd
The Specialist In Wheeled Bin Washing
Domestic, Bulk, Commercial & Industrial
Equipment Supply
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N.E. Scotland

The Great One

  • Posts: 12722
Re: Visit from the VAT inspector (long)
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2004, 07:38:44 pm »
Hi

Just got myself a bookeeper this year. She's brilliant and the peace of mind feels great.

Regards

Martin  8)

SMP

  • Posts: 101
Re: Visit from the VAT inspector (long)
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2004, 08:25:56 pm »
What's going rate for a book keeper?  How much would it cost, say per month, to have one?

Cheers
Steve
Steve Poole

Fintan_Coll

Re: Visit from the VAT inspector (long)
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2004, 10:08:03 pm »
D'ont talk to me about Accountants. If they make a mistake you will still have to shoulder the responsibility. This is my experience anyway, and pay them as well.

Doug Holloway

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Re: Visit from the VAT inspector (long)
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2004, 07:27:20 am »
Trevor,

Well done for keeping your cool and standing up for yourself.

When I had a Tax Investigation some years ago  , it became very evident that it was an excersise in bullying.

In the end I'd had enough and gave some back , my accountant cringed but the 'Lady' ;) backed off big time.

Cheers,

Doug

Derek

Re: Visit from the VAT inspector (long)
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2004, 07:27:48 pm »
Trevor

I may well be wrong but I understood that they couldn't charge interest whilst the matter is still in dispute?

Once an amount has been agreed then its a different matter.

Cheers
Derek

mark_roberts

  • Posts: 1899
Re: Visit from the VAT inspector (long)
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2004, 10:15:48 am »
So what does a bookkeeper actually do.  List your sales and expenses and total them?

Unless your doing well over the VAT limit I would of thought a few hours per month would do this.

Mark