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Ian_Giles

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Re: There is NO NEED to use a ladder to clean windows
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2007, 02:03:22 pm »
What a stupid statement
get about more & try wfp'ing 120 year old, paper thin glass 30ft up with a pole without breaking it or without the astragals falling out ::) or like someone said, bottom sashes left open, or the inside of old mansions where you need a 12ft ladder for the insides! or sashes with mega-oxidised astragals etc.etc.etc
I think some people think that every window in the world has lovely upvc frames just because that's all they personaly come across day to day.
I also think some people would spend 2 hours scrubbing an oxidised window just to prove it can be done wfp when it could've been done in 2 mins with a ladder. If you cant use a ladder safley then you should't even have a driving liscense imo.
I am a wfp'er & trad, but to be honest the TOTAL OVER-HYPE of wfp on this forum sometimes is getting silly, who exactly are you trying to convince?

tony

Way to go Macmac,
Thats the kind of arguement David is looking for!
you've pointed out occasions where WFP is simply not suitable.

The banning of ladders does make sense in a general term, although it would never be a blanket ban because there are - as Macmac points out - many occasions when the use of a ladder is the only sensible and practical method of working.
However, I've been WFPing for 3 years solid and in that time I've not needed to 'WORK' off ladders more than 2 or 3 occasions, and by that I don't mean my little 6ft pointer ladder.
By and large David is right, there are few times when, for the vast majority of us, a ladder is ever needed to work off.

There will come a time when run of the mill window cleaning will indeed have the equivelent of a ladder ban.
The framework is already in place isn't it...."If there is another option other than using ladders, that option should be used."
It's worth pointing out that it doesn't mean the demise of traditional window cleaning...that can still be done with extension poles too!

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

macmac

Re: There is NO NEED to use a ladder to clean windows
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2007, 09:17:28 pm »
Like i said, who are some people trying to convince??
This ladder Vs wfp thing is getting very, very boring. wfp is a tool & certainley is not a total solution.
It's getting like the guy (we all know one) who buys a new car & suddenly that particular make or model car is the best thing since sliced bread!!!
It may have many downsides but he would never dream of bringing them into conversation, instead, he just tries to convince you (and himself) that everyone should go & do what he has done ::)
BORING, BORING, BORING.
A clean window is a clean window, it's not any cleaner done either method, trad or wfp who cares?
Both have upsides, both have downsides :o :o OH NO :o :o SURELY NOT ANY DOWNSIDES TO WFP, OOOOH MY GOD, NO, I JUST CAN'T TAKE IT IN! WFP? NOT A TOTAL SOLUTION? WHAT THE HELL ARE WE GOINT TO TALK ABOUT THEN????

 get a life, get real.

tony

telboy

Re: There is NO NEED to use a ladder to clean windows
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2007, 09:26:39 pm »
SAME OLD SAME OLD BLAH DE BLAH

Pj

Re: There is NO NEED to use a ladder to clean windows
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2007, 09:37:43 pm »
A pole is just a ladder without rungs.

Long term risks have not yet been compared conclusively. 8)

NWH

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Re: There is NO NEED to use a ladder to clean windows
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2007, 09:39:04 pm »
Are you talking about ladders or WFP.