[AquaMagic]

Ive been reading though my NCCA course book and a few others and im going to have a dablle with some of the reducers and oxidesers (on some carpet samples of course), i just wondered if anyone could tell me where id buy:

Sodium Bisulphate
Sodium Metabisulphate.
Hydrogen Peroxide (tried asda not got any)
Sodium HydroSulphate
Sodium Perborate
Sodium Hyperclorite -(think this is cuastic bleach???)

Many thanks

Dene

[Mike Halliday]

the first 2 I think are the same thing;

and are used by people who do home brewing, so can be bought from shops that sell home brew kits.

the third can be bought in various strengths from hairdressing supplies wholesalers.

the rest try here

www.apsingredients.com/?gclid=CKTSitakp4wCFRTlXgodhEgc2A

[AquaMagic]

Thanks Mike.

Dene

[*paul_moss]

The first 2 are totally different chems.
The one Mike is on about is sodium metabisulphate which can be bought at most home brew centres.
Boots sell Hydrogen Peroxide  at up to 6% the others you will have to get from specialist suppliers and some need licence.

[Derek]

Try a pharmaceutical supply shop...there may be one in your town.

[Mike Osbourne]

Try Alltech

[John Kelly]

Dene, most of these are available as formualtions specifically for the job by various manufacturers. When you start messing about with chemicals it becomes a legal minefield if something happens in a customers home. Say a child got hold of a bottle and spilt it on themselves or worse drunk it. It would be bad enough if it was a proprietory product but you would have some cover as long as you weren't negligent. However if it was something you had made up yourself or bought as a raw ingedient then they could throw the book at you.

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

Sodium Bisulphate and Sodium Hydosulphate are the same and sodium metabisulphite is similar in being a reducing agent

I use the latter with acetic acid to increase effectiveness.

Hydrogen peroxide, sodium perborate and sodium hypochlorite are all oxidisers, the latter being common bleach.

It is important if you are going to experiment that you do some research first into likely health and safety problems.

This is a good site http://www.answers.com

Cheers

Doug

[Cloverleaf]

Just to put the cat amongst the pidgeons.

You go to a house with a wool bedroom carpet armed with the above chemicals, that has fake tan marks, dog wee stains, unknown yellow marks, unknown red marks etc, and the custy insists that you try and get them out?

You would of course say that some of these marks will probably not come out.

But how would you charge the customer, knowing that some of the above aint going to come out?

John

[Graeme@Access]

Hi,

I agree with Cloverleaf, you cant really pull out these kind of chems in a normal job.

IF you use the reducing bleaches for example, you will need to wear a carbon filter mask and make sure that the customer doesnt come into the room during or for a few hours after you have used them.  They give of sulphur dioxide (which triggers my athsma and i dont have it bad) and lingers for ages.  If you dont rinse it properly it will continue to strip the colour from the carpet and having tried it out a few times... its really difficult to control.

I would only ever use them again on enormous jobs for very high end clients... and even then i would try and persuade them it wasnt worth the risk.

Remember, if you "damage" the carpet then you have just created a huge problem for yourself.  They will be quick to say things like... i prefered the stain to the damaged bit you made.  Its a minefield you dont really want to enter.

Be careful with the reducing bleaches...

Graeme
Access Cleaning Solutions

[Buster Ingram]

99% of the time we are carpet cleaners its only 1% of the time we are asked to remove difficult stains and frankly for that 1% like most here I'd rather leave well alone.

Most client's know its not going to come out of the carpet but they ask for asking sake

The only product I know that really works on stains, is a  STANLEY KNIFE