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Tony,

If you can get half a dozen or so window cleaners to back it then we will push for it. But you may upset the English who cross over as they will have to be licensed. ;D

Doug

macmac

well i'm english doug (sunny barnsley s.yorks) but now live just over the border, love scotland, great people, lovely soft water ;) wouldn't go back, so to be honest i wouldn't mind upsetting a few of my old mates ;D ;D
How would i go about persuing this with the council doug?

tony

williamx

Is a license really necessary, as you said the councils don't enforce it.

When the councils realize that they have to do some work for the money that they are being paid, what will happen then.

You will find that the council will bring in more and more regulations, which won't be to helpful to your window cleaner but because the council is now working harder then their costs will increase and the license fee will rise also.

The police wanted the license for what reason? every burglar went around in the disguise of a window cleaner, I think not.

What about the builders-Plumbers-Roofers-Gardeners and those nice people who have a little bit of tarmac leftover and they can relay your driveway for a bargain price? why can't they be licensed as well? or are only crooks window cleaners?

On condition of being issued a license you should be of good character, and not have a criminal record, what about the people who when they were 15-16-17- or 20 broke the law and got caught.

Now 10-15-20- or even 40 years later they can't put their past behind them and move forward in their lives?

Having a license might seem a good idea but will the customer be protected from a cleaner who is rude-arrogant, misses some of their windows when he suppose to clean them, will the license stop them?  I think not.

Will the license protect the cleaner from being under paid for the job, because the customers thinks that £3.00 a house is more than enough?

What happens when the council decides what a cleaner can charge?

How will they work out the right rate for the job.  Will they look at someone like Turbo Terry.  They can see that he can clean a front window in under 5 seconds, so a whole house should take no more than 8 minutes, and because you can clean 5 houses an hour, and the average wage in that area for someone self employed is £25.00 per hour, you should only charge £5.00 per house.

What will happen if the council decides that your equipment should undergo a MOT type test? which you have to pay for.

What happens if the councils says you have to wear a uniform? they also decide what the uniform should be.   You can't wear shorts or a t-nutss in the summer?

You all might think this is far fetched, but it has happened in other industries.

Yes the public need protecting from the crooks, but licensing is not the answer.

If you phone your local council about finding a window cleaner they will recommend that they should have insurance and try to use someone who is recommended to you be a neighbour, friend or family, if you still don't know of any they say look in yellow pages.  

They don't say telephone the FWC or APWA or any other association that have window cleaners on their books.

The window cleaning industry does not need more rules and regulations, its needs common sense.

macmac

it might stop some foreign b****rd cleaning windows for a quid >:( >:(

tony

williamx

it might stop some foreign b****rd cleaning windows for a quid >:( >:(

tony

No it won't because he will just get a license and carry on as normal

macmac

but he will have to be here legaly & it might make him think twice ;)

tony

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Tony,

Will have to maybe pursue that through the local Police but what we would like to see is that it is rolled out across the few remaining councils that do not have it. I know other window cleaners in these areas have been pushing their councils for the licence to be introduced. We have contacts in Goverment so will ask the question.

William,

Council's are now asking for spent convictions where as before they only asked for the past 6 yrs, the reason behind this I do not know.

Your other questions are reasonable so hence why the SLWCN was created to tackle councils over this. It is not our voice but all window cleaners throughout Scotland that are licensed it's what they would like to see which we aim to tackle the authorities about. It is going to be a long hard task. The FED have been involved about this for many years and did not get anywhere which they informed us so hence a seperate network within Scotland was formed.

Yes things may happen but the power of 1000 window cleaners speaking one voice is more effective than the odd individual.

What would happen if all of a sudden every unlicensed window cleaner was stopped from working then there would be a major shortage of window cleaners. Then you would see prices rocket.

The SLWCN aim is to try and sell the licensed window cleaner to the public and value them more and to get them to pay them what they are worth. Also to try and educate the public about wfp and safety. It's a long battle but window cleaners in Scotland are crying out for this and if we unite we can resolve this.

If this was happening in England and oops Wales ( for Tosh ) I'm sure you would be shouting at the FED and AWPC to resolve this.

Hope this makes sense.

Doug

williamx

Doug

In Birmingham there is over 5000 cab drivers, who over the last 25 years have seen one new regulation after another, each new policy change has cost them money, but it has not stopped the illegal cab driver.

If you go into the city on a weekend and the clubs all close, the amount of people who jump into any car is astounding, there are many times that even the police encourage this practice, as it clears the streets faster, so less work for them.

If the government is not willing to listen to 1 and 3/4 million people who appose the car charges, that they are thinking about, what council is going to think about 1000 cleaners spread over one country think.

You say that the councils now look into the spent convictions that window cleaners have before giving them a license, what will happen if the councils decides that anyone who did not pay their rates should not be issued with a license, or if they are behind in their payments they should have their licence suspended, what if they linked it to you having car tax or insurance as well, what would 1000 voices be able to do.

These might seem far fetched, but its not something that you can guanratee might not happen.

Once you open the door to rules and regulations , it is very hard to repeal them

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Quote" what will happen if the councils decides that anyone who did not pay their rates should not be issued with a license, or if they are behind in their payments they should have their licence suspended"

Yes we have heard about one council that do this but still looking into why as it seems unjust trying to stop someone working when they are behind their rates.

If on searching and looking you will always find a loophole that you can catch the council out, for instance I used to live in a flat which I bought which the council owned the leasehold so you have to pay service charges. I found a loophole and did not pay, ended up in court and won the case.

williamx

Doug

Why don't you campaign for a voluntary scheme, whereas any window cleaner has to go thought a vetting procedure his insurance is checked, he knows about and compiles with h&s, he is registered with tax office and carries a id card.

This way a potential customer can get a council approved cleaner or not.

If its works you will find that any cleaner who wants more business is likely to join.

They have now stated to include people with spent convictions, whats happens to him now, he has properly spent years building up a successful business, he might have invested thousands in new wfp equipment, he might even employ people, yet sometime in his past he broke the law and because of this, his license to earn a living for himself-workers and family is taken away.

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William,

The council tried this with taxi dirivers with ni number etc.. and had to stop it as it had something to do with human rights etc... With the current system they have looked into it and it does not infringe human rights etc..

Spent convictions I agree as the licence should only be refused if the person is considered a danger to the public at that time, we all make mistakes in life. If men were perfect then women would be so frustated as they could have nothing to nag about. ;D

I have a feeling this has been brought in because of disagreements between the Police and the council. Where the Police have advised that someone is refused a licence the council have gone against their advise and issued one. Why they do this I do not know but it makes it hard to try and get a National licence where one council will refuse someone a licence and another will give it to him.

We have found many faults in our investigations but we are not a committee that make desicions by ourselves, this is made by our members and by speaking to them individually by phone etc..

Well that is all I have to say now as I am now off to get some shut eye as I am on 3 weeks vacation. Think I may have withdrawal symptons not being on here for so long ;D

Doug