[marc]

im with john l wfp or not at all

[JM123]

I'd want £75 min for that job - no way am I going to let customers dictate to me what method I use.  At the end of the day its MY safety which is paramount - not their dislike for wfp, so its definitely a wfp job.

Also current WAHD regulations (in Norther Ireland anyway) are limiting the use of ladders to 8ft.

Finally 2 men doing that trad is going to take 2 hrs, a good poler will do that by himself/herself in no more than 90 mins.

[mgba_78]

cheers for the replies guys, they do not want the roof doing, we quoted £120 for in and out every month and got it, we think it will take 2 of us 3-4 hours.

I got the ladder out before we quoted and the long windows in the last pics can either be done with a pole or ladder rested on the frame edge, customer was happy for either method to clean the window.

We are trad cleaners not WFP which is why we were asked to quote as they have had previous bad experiance with WFP'ers in their other house.

Roll on, £1500 pay rise, hopefully will get more, there are 3 of these bad boys next to each other

[marcus hopkins]

I had a customer who didn't want the transition from traditional to WFP. The house was a large 13th century manor type building which had been modded a few times. One of the windows was about 35 ft up. As you can guess this house was a good earner but i decided that 1 fall could stop my earning ability for life which is why i went WFP in the first place. So i took the sensible option. Canceled the job. While people are still prepared to risk themselves needlesley it will only make it harder to educate people that this is the new way (end of story) when    H & S do eventually enforce a ladder ban of which will happen. Even the fire brigade are experiencing ladder bans to install smoke alarms so im damn sure we wont be left alone.

Good luck with your new contract but be careful always.

Marcus

[NWH]

To be honest i can`t wait until they ban ladders,it will make life much easier with the customers in general with our job.

[SherwoodCleaningSe]

Good pricing, I'd say you'll earn well good on that.  If you have point ladders then I'm sure you'll get it done faster than you think you will.

There are probably quite a few customers that are unhappy with wfp and change or seek the services of a trad window cleaner.  I lost 2 small jobs because of wfp myself.  What will all of these customers do when their trad window cleaner converts to wfp? 

Simon.

[Sir Squeaky]

To be honest i can`t wait until they ban ladders,it will make life much easier with the customers in general with our job.

God you're lucky I'm WFP now...
I'd have eaten you alive for that statement in the past.

Still a dozy comment though, there's thousands of good honest workers using ladders all over the country (more of them than us too, by a mile).

You want to put the majority of window cleaners out of a job?

[Colin_Glenn]

I don't think it's using the ladders that is necessarily the problem. The problem would come if, while using a ladder, someone had an accident and it came to light that they had WFP but chose to use ladders at the insistence of the customer.

First of all, the insurance would not pay out. Especially if the claim was a really high one and they sent out a loss adjuster.

Also if serous injury or death occured to your employee then you (by "you" I mean the one who pays the employee) would potentially be at risk of charges for negligence or even manslaughter. You could even be out of pocket for a compensation claim which the insurance would not cover.  It's all down to who is prosecuting. 

After that, you have to worry about HSE.