[matt]

i disagree

My VW passet estate and then a fiat marea weekender estate were great

if i did a commercail in the morning, i would carry 10 X 25L barrels

6 in the boots
1 in each footwell ( so thats 3 extra )
1 seatbelted on the rear seat behind the front passenger seat

( i know many will say thats not safe, but it worked for me )

they lasted well enough, the passet was old when i broguht it and lasted 3 years a few things went on it, it needed 2 tyres and new exhaust and a bit of welding where i clipped the cill, all things that added up and i thought it was time for a new car )

i only got a van as i want to do something else in my spare time that needs a "showcase van" and this will be it

Matt, that is not a good advert for your diy site (it is dangerous big time, and you should know better than that, if you get pulled for overloading it is as far as I know £1000 fine get caught again it is unlimited, more than if you have an accident you will be crushed 1kg per litre of water plus force" 10x 25L barrels as you say is just plain stupid" sry for having a pop but dont tell others to do this please, you was lucky some may not be.

people that are thinking of doing this don't it is unsafe and against the law to overload any car/van etc that is on a public road but more than that if you have a crash you are likely to die or if you lucky prison for killing someone.
250k of water, plus the container weight, plus fuel, plus persons in car plus extra pole ect etc etc, well ove rpayload weight.

The sound advice would be DONT DO IT!

my car wasnt overloaded though , the weight issue was below the weight the car can carry

people know its not that safe to carry 25 L drums in cars or vans , we dont need to tell them that, people do it though
just like builders carry tools and bricks and cement mixers in the back of vans, all unsecured

WW you will notice i dont tell any1 to do anything, its not my style, i give options OR tell people what i have done, people can then make a choice

Matt, please do not think I am having a pop at you i am not in anyway I think your website is fantastic for people that want to saves a few quid on there systems ect and a host of other bits and bobs.

I just had to point that out as I think it is dangerous, this is IMO some will take it some will not as you say it is there choice but alot of people look up to you, and maybe you should say it is not recommened to do this.

thats the point i am trying to make, people know its dangerous to carry them barrels around, i know i did

im not recommending anything, just giving options of what can be done

would i do it again, i expect i would if i needed, lifes about informed risks and i knew the risk

i know of a trad WC'er who carries some steps over his back seat and it stops just behind his head, ive told him many a time about it, if he has a rear hit it'll take his head off, he still does it, but thats his choice

i may sound defensive and arguementative, but im not, im just pointing out that we all know the risks of the things we do, people know that having barrels . carts etc in a car or van and you have a smash, they will fly around and you could get hurt / killed

[windowwashers]

 if you brake suddenly or crash just 4 25 litre containers is 100 kg + your trolley/equipment so about 150kgs atleast of unsecured load will fly through the windows and squish you.

this was one of the points I meant. Jon good on you, least you are safe 

thats the point i am trying to make, people know its dangerous to carry them barrels around, i know i did

im not recommending anything, just giving options of what can be done

would i do it again, i expect i would if i needed, lifes about informed risks and i knew the risk

i know of a trad WC'er who carries some steps over his back seat and it stops just behind his head, ive told him many a time about it, if he has a rear hit it'll take his head off, he still does it, but thats his choice

i may sound defensive and arguementative, but im not, im just pointing out that we all know the risks of the things we do, people know that having barrels . carts etc in a car or van and you have a smash, they will fly around and you could get hurt / killed

Matt, I know you are just pointing out ect, I really hope you have a disclaimer on your site m8, if you dont get one as that info is deadly, I know some will use it then you get cowboys all over the place, protect yourself if giving that info on your site 

[matt]

i would say in a estate car two 25ltr tanks can fit in the rear seat foot wells 1 each side, and fit tightly in place and are secure enough down there, any more in the back need to be secured, i have welded a steel frame that holds several 25ltr containers in the boot section of the estate car, with the seats down, so they cannot move up down or in any other way. They are easy to lift out, and the hose reel is bolted to the floor, the trolley goes up the ramps and onto its back and sits over a big bolt welded to the floor, and then i simply screw a wing nut over this securing the trolley- with two brackets at the front which sit infront of the wheels. this is a must because if you brake suddenly or crash just 4 25 litre containers is 100 kg + your trolley/equipment so about 150kgs atleast of unsecured load will fly through the windows and squish you.

good post, you knew the risks and had something done about it

i advised ( helped order and told how to fit ) and tank system in a car ( 1 of my idiot stalkers will put the post up about it i bet ) he wanted to fit a tank in his car, he seatbelted the tank in on the rear seat, his idea was a 250 L tank was less that the weight of 2 blokes ) i told him all the kit to order and  he fitted, when it was mentioned on here it wasnt that safe, i pointed out to the guy about having some mounts welded in the rear, they worked well with ratchet strapes from a lorry

[s.hughes]

I also carry 25ltr containers in the back of my estate car, sometimes 30ltr containers. At times I would say its dangerous when I carry loads of them but like Matt I use the seat belts to secure them and use the footwells so its safe enough. Also I know there is a weight limit on cars but I dont think the police can do anything about it like they can vans.

[Jon-scwindows]

at first i was going to permanantly keep the rear seats down with the tank partially mounted over this having a 250ltr tank in the back of the estate, but realised this way pretty much way too much wait if it was going to be filled up, and even welding to the thin metal back of the rear seats would not be strong enough to hold the tank in a crash or harsh braking.   
i cant see how you can safely 'seat belt' your tanks in place they can just as easily slip and jump about or fly out of them as its plastic to seat belt its not going to secure it very well. I would use some stretchy hooked straps through the handles. or make some brackets in the back.

[alan andrewswestsi]

i started wfp in february with the freedom trolley and a vw caddy soon became too small so upgrade to a vivaro and use the trolley as a van mount with 100 metres of microbore which i find much better my advice would be get as big a van as poss as you will soon out grow a car or small van as your work grows

[Paul Coleman]

i started wfp in february with the freedom trolley and a vw caddy soon became too small so upgrade to a vivaro and use the trolley as a van mount with 100 metres of microbore which i find much better my advice would be get as big a van as poss as you will soon out grow a car or small van as your work grows

I would go even further than that and suggest that if you do end up going for a Vivaro/Primastar/Trafic, get the 2.9 tonne version.  They're less common than the 2.7 tonners but they are about.

[matt]

or you could get a double decker bus, loads of space for water storage 

[windowwashers]

or you could get a double decker bus, loads of space for water storage 

I was thinking fire engine, now that would hold loads and all would be safe