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Best training courses?
« on: October 08, 2006, 12:00:04 am »
Do forum members have any experience of the training courses offered by NCCA, Alltec, Ashbys and which one provides the best?

Ken Wainwright

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Re: Best training courses?
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2006, 11:42:15 am »
To be honest, I don't think the perfest training course yet exists. We all have different needs, different or no practical experiences and different abilities to absorb and learn the information given.

Having said that, I personally break the available training courses into two groups. Generic and manufacturers.  Over the years, I've attended many courses from both groups, and learnt something new each time.

Certainly for the initial training, I feel that generic is more valuable. EG a candidate would find it more useful to be taught something like:  GENERIC: On very greasy restaurant carpets, apply a pre-spray designed to attack this type of soil. Rather than MANUFACTURER: Pre-spray the carpet with X178 Super-Suds.  It is only natural and right that a manufacturer should relate to their own products and I don't have a problem with that.  But I feel sure that there will be newbies who cannot relate Super-Suds to other brands suitable to the task.  But generic training creates, I feel, a better understanding.

With Generic Training, there are two main sources.  IICRC and NCCA. Again it is my opinion, that they serve two slightly different needs.  My advice to a newbie would be to ask a local colleague if you could be a "bucket boy" for a day or two. This would allow an insight into the equipment and basic procedures. Then attend the NCCA two day carpet and upholstery course. The initial hands on experience makes the formal training easier to relate to. When a little more experienced, an IICRC training course, being, I feel, a little more theoretically intense, would be easier to follow and absorb.  It's encouraging to see that many of our industry's manufacturers are now offering IICRC training courses.

If you have already attended a manufacturers starter course, and have gained valuable hands-on cleaning experience, although the NCCA Training would still be of benefit, the IICRC would, I feel, be more so.  However, if you were seeking suitable training merely to join the NCCA as a Full Member, the lower cost option would probably be to attend the NCCA course. This is because the NCCA is a two day carpet and upholstery course, and the equivalent IICRC is over four days.  Obviously, this can lead to greater costs for the candidate.

As for myself, although I have been in our industry for more than 26 years, I still attend training courses.  Of late, they have been specific product/system related courses from manufacturers.  In an ever changing industry with new products, equipment and developing techniques, it is, IMO, essential to keep abreast of the times. If you worked for a large corporation in any industry, trade or profession, you would have ongoing training throughout your career.  Carpet and Upholstery Cleaning is no different.

As we say in the NCCA, training is an investment, not an expense :)

Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

emills55

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Re: Best training courses?
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2006, 06:46:27 pm »
Hi I am just getting my feet wet in carpet cleaning! 

Your post has really given me some information to help me decide how I get some experience.  I like the idea of working with another carpet cleaner and seeing how it is done, that is what I wanted to do speak to an experienced carpet cleaner but was not sure how welcoming they would be. 

I know I need to get some training but as a way of learning I thought that there was no better way than learning on the job and therefore I was going to price jobs as an apprentice since I can't expect clients to pay full price for someone who is only learning! 

I am not aiming to get rich quick but will put in the time and effort to make sure I give the client what they are paying for and hope that it all comes good in the end. 

Any starting out tips would be appreciated.  So far I have used the Puzzi100 but I have not bought anything yet, as want to make sure I know more about the equipment before purchasing.

Edna



Fintan_Coll

Re: Best training courses?
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2006, 09:23:42 pm »
Duhallow Cleaners, the trouble here in Ireland, I live in the very far North, in Donegal and you live in the very far South, in Cork, but it is the same all over, there are simply little or no training courses being run. Unless we travel to Britain we will find it very difficult to get any unbiased  or independent training.

carpetguy

Re: Best training courses?
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2006, 10:46:53 pm »
Why would we need the expression  Great Britain and Northern Ireland if Ireland was in Britain

Ireland EIRE is a separate entity with it's own government, taxation and laws

robbie


Damian

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Re: Best training courses?
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2006, 10:48:06 pm »
I need to clean a wool carpet-purewool. not sure?
Kids for the ex-missus. The fireblade is my baby!!

Fintan_Coll

Re: Best training courses?
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2006, 11:22:47 pm »
Robbie, I live in EIRE as you call it but I am much further North than  Northern Ireland if you can understand that, Technically as far as I know Northern Ireland is not in Britain , Britain being England , Scotland and Wales but it is in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, UK for short. Northern Ireland have banknotes which are not acceptable in England as I learned to my cost once,but it is still Sterling legal tender, but only in Northern Ireland.
Very confusing, but we are getting away from the point which is this, on the entire Island of Irelandthere is virtually no training available for any one wishing to advance their carpet or upholstery cleaning skills.

rice

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Re: Best training courses?
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2006, 01:04:36 am »
Duhallo,Iused to live in cork 4 years ago, now in manchester try contacting Greg Lane services
tel 021 4891716.     102 st patricks woollen mills Douglas CORK,he runs different courses that might interest you.

rice.

Adam Young

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Re: Best training courses?
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2006, 03:37:39 am »
Hi All,

I am sure that I saw that the NCCA did a course in Ireland this year, might be worth a look at their web site for more info.

Cheers,

Adam.
NCCA Member 1630

carpetguy

Re: Best training courses?
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2006, 09:37:36 am »
Fintan

I am fully aware of everything you say about the geography and history, being even further North than you.

There has been the odd c/c course in Scotland, including IICRC, which I attended about 7 years ago and visits from the Saunders brothers.

However, the problem has been one of apathy, with too few c/c's turning up and discouraging anyone from returning.

It's the same with exhibitions, which simply don't get the support of c/c's and cost a great deal to lay on.

With the use of the internet, this could be changed, rapidly and I'm sure that new people would be more prepared to fund courses, as their investment is considerably higher, than a few years ago.

robbie

Fintan_Coll

Re: Best training courses?
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2006, 03:07:54 pm »
Yes rice, I know Greg Lane personally, used to get supplies from him when I was into sanding floors, a decent guy, sure he can help
Robbie, yes there are courses run from time to time but usually sponsored by the likes of the Saunders and their sidekicks. Not everyone would be welcome at these courses for reasons which I will not go into here, that is the position here in Ireland anyway. I think Duhallow Cleaners were looking for something done on an independent basis or at least by someone not pushing any particular manufacturers products.