[Rogue Trader]

Has anyone who has a new shape citroen dispatch 1.6 or 2.0 had problems with the oil pick up pipe/feed filter?

[ChumBucket]

Not personally but it's apparently the main cause for turbo failure on these models. There's a gauze/filter in the pipe which can get blocked and starve the turbo of oil.

[AuRavelling79]

Might be wrong but I thought it was primarily the 1.6.

[ChumBucket]

Might be wrong but I thought it was primarily the 1.6.

It is definitely the 1.6, I assumed the 2.0 also?

[Lee GLS]

I think it's only the 1.6, it's the same engine shared with lots of other vehicles, the 2.0 is a totally different engine.

[chris turner]

Just make sure its serviced like clockwork using the correct oil ( low sap ) and give it a good run every now and again.
I think the manufacturers recommendation is to service it every 20,000 miles or 2 years. I would service it every year or 10,000 whichever comes sooner.

Luckily I have an 8 weekly job that is an hour away, half the journey is on the motorway so I really put my foot down and get the engine working. Also helps to regenerate the dpf which requires the van to be driven for at least 20 mins at speeds of 45-50mph+ every 3-5000 miles.

Like anything if you look after it, it will look after you.

[Walter Mitty]

Just make sure its serviced like clockwork using the correct oil ( high sap ) and give it a good run every now and again.
I think the manufacturers recommendation is to service it every 20,000 miles or 2 years. I would service it every year or 10,000 whichever comes sooner.

I recently acquired a new, 2.0 Dispatch.  Service intervals are 20,000 miles or one year.  That may or may not be a recent change.  If I were a high mileage user, I would do the 10,000 mile intervals though.  As things currently are, I do a bit less that 10,000 miles a year so will just go for yearly servicing.

[Spruce]

The other requirement PSA made to their dealers was that the van needs to be level so all the old oil can drain out. Some garages just drain the engine whilst the van is jacked up. They also have to let the oil drain for around 20 minutes. Back street garages won't do that. (Not sure how many PSA dealers follow that rule either.)

I don't know about now, but the small print in the PSA 20k service schedule did say that an interim oil change needed to be done.

[Lee GLS]

On the 3.2 5 cylinder transits the service intervals are 30k purely because it holds 12liters of oil, imagine the cost of servicing one of those.

[LBWCS]

My friend had one and this happened to him. Knackered the turbo up twice in 6 months. He got rid of it on mechanics advice. Hope you get it sorted

[Spruce]

My friend had one and this happened to him. Knackered the turbo up twice in 6 months. He got rid of it on mechanics advice. Hope you get it sorted

If that was the same mechanic that did the job, I would change the mechanic as well.

Obviously the  job wasn't done right.

The turbo feed pipe also needs to be replaced along with the turbo. Garrett will not accept a claim with a failed turbo if the pipe isn't replaced as well. I didn't realise that in this pipe has another filter that get blocked and starves the turbo of  oil. The sump also needs to be removed, cleaned out and the oil pump filter pick up inspected. Probably better to replace the oil pump whilst it all apart.
New oil filter and the recommended oil used.

The problem with most garages is that they use a 'universal' oil for all diesels. They buy it in bulk and sell it for a good profit. This oil is no good for 1.6 hdi diesel engines.

[andyM]

Peugeot recommend using a fully synthetic oil.

[Spruce]

Peugeot recommend using a fully synthetic oil.

True.  And it needs to be the right viscosity.

[EandM]

On the 1.6 there is a very small oil filter, about thimble size, just before the turbo - these block and kill the turbo. Locate and remove prior to destruction.

http://www.turbodynamics.co.uk/technical/understanding-turbochargers/critical-instructions-psa-16-hdi-turbochargers/

The solution is just to buy the 2.0 8V hdi instead.

[Deangsi]

Just had the turbo go on my one also 1.6 did all the work myself as I'm pretty handy with mechanics. You need to do an oil feed test take the return pipe of the bottom of the turbo, put some pipe from the return to a measuring jug let the van idle for 1 minute .3 litres of oil needs to have passed through the turbo then u know you have a good oil feed.

[EandM]

Just had the turbo go on my one also 1.6 did all the work myself as I'm pretty handy with mechanics. You need to do an oil feed test take the return pipe of the bottom of the turbo, put some pipe from the return to a measuring jug let the van idle for 1 minute .3 litres of oil needs to have passed through the turbo then u know you have a good oil feed.

I like the 1.6 for it's output, light weight and mpg but it does seem to be a seriously retrograde step over the 2.0 8 valve hdi in terms of reliability - we've run several of the 2.0 versions well past 200,00 (current 406 is on 245,000) without any issues or indeed replacing any major mechanical components.

[Spruce]

On the 1.6 there is a very small oil filter, about thimble size, just before the turbo - these block and kill the turbo. Locate and remove prior to destruction.

http://www.turbodynamics.co.uk/technical/understanding-turbochargers/critical-instructions-psa-16-hdi-turbochargers/

The solution is just to buy the 2.0 8V hdi instead.

That link is scary. If the right oil was used as they say it was, then buying a used van with that 1.6 Hdi engine is taking a big chance.
The cost of stripping the engine down and cleaning out all the oil lines and removing carbon deposits isn't worth the hassle financially.

I can't see they used the right oil in that engine, even with extended servicing gaps.
 

[EandM]

That link is scary. If the right oil was used as they say it was, then buying a used van with that 1.6 Hdi engine is taking a big chance.
The cost of stripping the engine down and cleaning out all the oil lines and removing carbon deposits isn't worth the hassle financially.

I can't see they used the right oil in that engine, even with extended servicing gaps.
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The extended servicing - specifically long oil changes seem to be the main issue.

Diesel engines never used to expire and turbos certainly lasted the life of the engine when we used to have 6,000 mile oil changes.

It started back in the German Fleet Days when Audi decided that you could use long life oil, change it every 20,000 miles and have servicing costs equivalent to the petrol range.  A few years later, once the warranties expired,  the fleet's sold them on at around 80 - 100,000 miles and then the car buying public picked up the bills.

All our old Peugeot / Citroen hdi and XUD vehicles have made 200 - 300,000 miles with no major mechanical issues and 6,000 mile oil changes must play a large part in this.