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bobplum

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propane bottle on floor
« on: January 29, 2014, 04:51:19 pm »
would a propane bottle work just as effectively if it was lying flat on the floor, secured of course, as opposed to standing up right, would there be loss of pressure? and would you still use the full bottle ?

CF Facilities

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Re: propane bottle on floor
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2014, 05:14:07 pm »
I always thought they had to be upright as they contain liquid and gas so you could end up with liquid down the dip tube in the neck of the bottle.

I may be wrong. If I am, I am sure someone would correct me.

Spruce

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Re: propane bottle on floor
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2014, 05:15:14 pm »
would a propane bottle work just as effectively if it was lying flat on the floor, secured of course, as opposed to standing up right, would there be loss of pressure? and would you still use the full bottle ?

No. It requires the space above the liquid to turn from liquid to gas. This would be very critical when the bottle is full as you would get liquid being forced out.
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Rayleigh Window Cleaning Services

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Re: propane bottle on floor
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2014, 05:16:47 pm »
Hi Bob.
It would work but its not good practice.
Cylinders should always be transported in a vertical position, as lying them down may cause LPG to escape through the valve
and become a large volume of combustible gas.

Steve

Spruce

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Re: propane bottle on floor
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2014, 05:18:18 pm »
I always thought they had to be upright as they contain liquid and gas so you could end up with liquid down the dip tube in the neck of the bottle.

I may be wrong. If I am, I am sure someone would correct me.

Correct.

That is why you have vapour tanks and LPG conversion tanks. They aren't interchangeable. Gas water heaters use gas drawn from the top of the cylinder/tank. LPG tanks draw liquid gas off from the bottom for vehicle conversions.
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bobplum

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Re: propane bottle on floor
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2014, 07:02:10 pm »
cheers everyone..upright it will stay :D

Frankybadboy

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Re: propane bottle on floor
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2014, 07:49:21 pm »
so then why do gas power fork lift have them lying flat ?

bobplum

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Re: propane bottle on floor
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2014, 07:59:01 pm »
ooohhhh thats a good one............let the games begin :D

Spruce

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Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Spruce

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Re: propane bottle on floor
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2014, 08:54:06 pm »
Here is something else that adds at little more detail with regard to forklifts.

"A propane cylinder contains liquid and vapour. We only fill cylinders with liquid to 80% to allow room for the propane to grow if the temperature increases. This is done because we don't want liquid to be in contact with the relief valve, which is built into the service valve. If the relief valve were to vent due to an overpressure situation, it will vent vapour. Not necessarily something we want to happen, but if it does, we have a bit of propane vapour in the air. One of the properties of propane that you must be aware of, is that propane expands 277 times when it changes state from a liquid to a vapour! So if the cylinder is on it's side and vents liquid, that little bit of liquid just made a VERY LARGE amount of propane vapour!

Some cylinders ARE designed to lie horizontally for RV's and forklifts. If you look at these cylinders closely, you will see that the relief valve is mounted in the upper portion of the vapour space so that it will not vent liquid. The service valves on these tanks has a tube inside that curves upward to the top of the vapour space for the same reason.

There are specific types of torches and burners for liquid service. They use cylinders with a specific type of connection. These cylinders stand upright so the relief valve is again, in communication with the vapour portion of the cylinder, and a tube on the service valve, which you cannot see, goes down to the bottom of the cylinder to draw out liquid.

Forklift cylinders are different again! They have a locator pin on the forklift that must go into a hole on the cylinder when you put it in place. The relief valve is placed in those cylinders so that whether it is vertical or horizontal, the service valve is still in the vapour space. They too have a tube on the service valve that will either point up or down depending on whether the cylinder is meant for liquid or vapour service...

Too make a long story short...Any appliance like a BBQ or stove that might be commected to a 20LB cylinder should have the cylinder always in an upright position!"

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Frankybadboy

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Re: propane bottle on floor
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2014, 09:23:43 pm »
thanks for the great reply


didn't know why me self

but once again spruce a great answer
 :-*

Spruce

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Re: propane bottle on floor
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2014, 09:50:59 pm »
thanks for the great reply


didn't know why me self

but once again spruce a great answer
 :-*

I was a very good question.  :)
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)