[ben M]

which LPG bottle do you use with your water heater?

any good?: http://www.safefill.co.uk/blue-cylinder.html

Thanks

Ben

[DaveG]

Hi Ben,

I get my bottles from the local Calor dealer. The last 2 winters I used butane (blue) but this year I'm going over to propane (red) as it works better in colder conditions.

They are around £30 a time, exchange.

I only use the heater when it's sub zero temps and 1 bottle lasts a winter

[Spruce]

Ben,

If I were going for a gas heater I would be looking at refillable LPG.

If you have the space I would spend a little extra and get a fitted LPG tank with an external filler.

Not all garages, even now, will allow refillable gas bottles. The garage up the road from us didn't allow them when I checked a couple of years ago.

So if you go this route then the first few enquiries are to ask what the local LPG suppliers rules are. And remember, those that allow this could change their minds after a health and safety review. I think I'm correct when I say I remember reading that Morrisons supermarket fuel station now allow the filling of these gas bottles at all their forecourts *, but for us they are in the wrong direction - not in our normal cleaning route.

Dave's right, how often are you going to need to refill it, and can the initial higher cost be justified in long term gas saving? Using his example, he would never justify that initial extra cost.

* I found this on a leisure forum

http://www.touringandtenting.com/forums/index.php?/topic/42415-morrisons-and-self-filling-gas-bottles/

[TheWindowManChris]

Any Tesco who have them and b&q do refill

[Lee GLS]

Sail and trail are good for the LPG tanks and filler port. The trouble with the safe fill is that some stations will not allow you fill fil them. But if you have a proper LPG port they are ok. I've got my filler port attached to the tank frame so I open the side door and fill the bottle

[Spruce]

Sail and trail are good for the LPG tanks and filler port. The trouble with the safe fill is that some stations will not allow you fill fil them. But if you have a proper LPG port they are ok. I've got my filler port attached to the tank frame so I open the side door and fill the bottle

Lee,

technically they can stop you from filling your bottle as the filler must be outside the vehicle.

"* It is not permitted to mount an LPG filler inside the boot, nor anywhere else inside the car.
This is because the gas released when removing the filler gun will sink to the lowest part of the body. It will stay there for months or even years (LPG vapour is heavier than Air).

Later, it could be that someone were to change a battery, connect up jump leads or make a spark in other ways and BOOM!

Many pleasure boats have been destroyed this way, any escaped gas will lurk in the bilges just waiting for a spark or flame.

The LPG filler MUST go on the outside of the vehicle.

* The above also shows why body mounted recessed box fillers must be vented at the back face. "

http://www.go-lpg.co.uk/Filler.html

I noticed that one of the suppliers who used to fit LPG systems also had the filler inside the side sliding door.

[ben M]

Sail and trail are good for the LPG tanks and filler port. The trouble with the safe fill is that some stations will not allow you fill fil them. But if you have a proper LPG port they are ok. I've got my filler port attached to the tank frame so I open the side door and fill the bottle

Lee,

technically they can stop you from filling your bottle as the filler must be outside the vehicle.

"* It is not permitted to mount an LPG filler inside the boot, nor anywhere else inside the car.
This is because the gas released when removing the filler gun will sink to the lowest part of the body. It will stay there for months or even years (LPG vapour is heavier than Air).

Later, it could be that someone were to change a battery, connect up jump leads or make a spark in other ways and BOOM!

Many pleasure boats have been destroyed this way, any escaped gas will lurk in the bilges just waiting for a spark or flame.

The LPG filler MUST go on the outside of the vehicle.

* The above also shows why body mounted recessed box fillers must be vented at the back face. "

http://www.go-lpg.co.uk/Filler.html

I noticed that one of the suppliers who used to fit LPG systems also had the filler inside the side sliding door.

very good post Spruce,thank you

[PoleKing]

Sail and trail are good for the LPG tanks and filler port. The trouble with the safe fill is that some stations will not allow you fill fil them. But if you have a proper LPG port they are ok. I've got my filler port attached to the tank frame so I open the side door and fill the bottle

Lee,

technically they can stop you from filling your bottle as the filler must be outside the vehicle.

"* It is not permitted to mount an LPG filler inside the boot, nor anywhere else inside the car.
This is because the gas released when removing the filler gun will sink to the lowest part of the body. It will stay there for months or even years (LPG vapour is heavier than Air).

Later, it could be that someone were to change a battery, connect up jump leads or make a spark in other ways and BOOM!

Many pleasure boats have been destroyed this way, any escaped gas will lurk in the bilges just waiting for a spark or flame.

The LPG filler MUST go on the outside of the vehicle.

* The above also shows why body mounted recessed box fillers must be vented at the back face. "

http://www.go-lpg.co.uk/Filler.html

I noticed that one of the suppliers who used to fit LPG systems also had the filler inside the side sliding door.

I'm thinking about going refillable.
Can you get an extension for the 'safefill' bottle?
Planning on putting the bottle behind drivers seat and the filler next to the diesel fill. There's a flat plastic bit that looks like it'd hold the fill hose...

Anyone know or done this?

[Lee GLS]

Sail and trail are good for the LPG tanks and filler port. The trouble with the safe fill is that some stations will not allow you fill fil them. But if you have a proper LPG port they are ok. I've got my filler port attached to the tank frame so I open the side door and fill the bottle

Lee,

technically they can stop you from filling your bottle as the filler must be outside the vehicle.

"* It is not permitted to mount an LPG filler inside the boot, nor anywhere else inside the car.
This is because the gas released when removing the filler gun will sink to the lowest part of the body. It will stay there for months or even years (LPG vapour is heavier than Air).

Later, it could be that someone were to change a battery, connect up jump leads or make a spark in other ways and BOOM!

Many pleasure boats have been destroyed this way, any escaped gas will lurk in the bilges just waiting for a spark or flame.

The LPG filler MUST go on the outside of the vehicle.

* The above also shows why body mounted recessed box fillers must be vented at the back face. "

http://www.go-lpg.co.uk/Filler.html

I noticed that one of the suppliers who used to fit LPG systems also had the filler inside the side sliding door.

Hi darren, I am aware of that, but as the filler is towards the front of the side door, it is not very noticeable that I have to open the door to fill the bottle, the safe fill bottle are a lot more noticeable when filling those at the petrol station.

[Lee GLS]

Sail and trail are good for the LPG tanks and filler port. The trouble with the safe fill is that some stations will not allow you fill fil them. But if you have a proper LPG port they are ok. I've got my filler port attached to the tank frame so I open the side door and fill the bottle

You can get an extension for he safe fill because the filler goes in the same place as the regulator, so the regulator has to be removed to fill it. The other types of refillable bottle allow the regulator to stay connected all the time as the filler hose attaches to a different point on the bottle.

Lee,

technically they can stop you from filling your bottle as the filler must be outside the vehicle.

"* It is not permitted to mount an LPG filler inside the boot, nor anywhere else inside the car.
This is because the gas released when removing the filler gun will sink to the lowest part of the body. It will stay there for months or even years (LPG vapour is heavier than Air).

Later, it could be that someone were to change a battery, connect up jump leads or make a spark in other ways and BOOM!

Many pleasure boats have been destroyed this way, any escaped gas will lurk in the bilges just waiting for a spark or flame.

The LPG filler MUST go on the outside of the vehicle.

* The above also shows why body mounted recessed box fillers must be vented at the back face. "

http://www.go-lpg.co.uk/Filler.html

I noticed that one of the suppliers who used to fit LPG systems also had the filler inside the side sliding door.

I'm thinking about going refillable.
Can you get an extension for the 'safefill' bottle?
Planning on putting the bottle behind drivers seat and the filler next to the diesel fill. There's a flat plastic bit that looks like it'd hold the fill hose...

Anyone know or done this?

[steven ainger]

This is what i use, would like one a little bigger tbh

http://www.autogasshop.co.uk/motorhome-lpg-tank-20ltr-667-p.asp

[Spruce]

Sail and trail are good for the LPG tanks and filler port. The trouble with the safe fill is that some stations will not allow you fill fil them. But if you have a proper LPG port they are ok. I've got my filler port attached to the tank frame so I open the side door and fill the bottle

Lee,

technically they can stop you from filling your bottle as the filler must be outside the vehicle.

"* It is not permitted to mount an LPG filler inside the boot, nor anywhere else inside the car.
This is because the gas released when removing the filler gun will sink to the lowest part of the body. It will stay there for months or even years (LPG vapour is heavier than Air).

Later, it could be that someone were to change a battery, connect up jump leads or make a spark in other ways and BOOM!

Many pleasure boats have been destroyed this way, any escaped gas will lurk in the bilges just waiting for a spark or flame.

The LPG filler MUST go on the outside of the vehicle.

* The above also shows why body mounted recessed box fillers must be vented at the back face. "

http://www.go-lpg.co.uk/Filler.html

I noticed that one of the suppliers who used to fit LPG systems also had the filler inside the side sliding door.

I'm thinking about going refillable.
Can you get an extension for the 'safefill' bottle?
Planning on putting the bottle behind drivers seat and the filler next to the diesel fill. There's a flat plastic bit that looks like it'd hold the fill hose...

Anyone know or done this?

There is this 'grey' area of what is portable and what's not portable. The regulations can't stop a roofer carrying a 'loose' bottle of gas and a blowtorch in his van as he will need this to remove and lay new roofing felt. He will also need it to heat his bitumen kettle.

When it comes to a fitted system, then the gas bottle must be mounted outside of sleeping area as with a caravan. With a caravan it is mounted on the drawbar of the caravan.

Motor homes have a separate compartment that is sealed off from the inside of the van, accessible only from the outside with vent holes in the floor to allow tapped gas to escape. If you had a 6kg portable fixed ‘Gas-it ‘ cylinder  kit,

http://www.sailandtrail.co.uk/standard-twin-plus-6kg-refillable-lpg-cylinder-kit-in-locker-fill-point.html

then this would be ok to have an outside filler linked to it.
See the pictures on the Reach2clean website. He shows a sealed cabinet underneath his gas heater.

I would go for an under floor fitted vapour tank with a refill fitting mounted under the rear bumper, but I have the space to do it with a Citroen Relay van.

 http://autogasleisure.co.uk/gastanks.html

My understanding is that these tanks can also be fitted inside the van with an external filler, but they must have the proper sealing cover over the inlet and outlet with gas regulator. This will have a separate vent pipe to outside the vehicle to allow any gas to escape.  
I am however concerned that this may no longer be the case as the website is different to what it was. They still supply boot fitted gas tanks and a good picture can be found on this site.

http://www.autogas.co.uk/tank-installation.htm

I would check directly with them as to what the regulations now permit. Most small vans sit too low to the ground to allow fitting an under-floor tank.

We work with electric motors which have carbon brushes running on a commutator. These can spark. If an accumulation of gas were present inside due to a faulty coupling, then an explosion could happen.

[PoleKing]

Thanks Sprucy.
As ever-informative and interesting.
I'll dig deeper and hope for the best!

[bobplum]

speak to steve ainger he uses a refillable unit

[steven ainger]

This is what i use, would like one a little bigger tbh

http://www.autogasshop.co.uk/motorhome-lpg-tank-20ltr-667-p.asp

I have already spoken lol