[Dave Willis]

Living near the twerp on the forty foot ledge got me wondering just what we could be fined for?

Could you be fined for not providing a properly secured tank for your workers?
Could you be fined for accessing a garage roof?
Could you be fined for no warning signs when wfp?


What would they fine you for - anyone know?

(I have a builder friend who got a very large fine for removing asbestos from a building)

[SunShineCleaning]

Any breach of H&S can be fined. If someone phones it in they will assess it.
The idiot in Bath needed a lesson and at £2015 he got one.

If an accident occurs or they are willfully negligent they should be fined.

If someone is making an effort to follow H&S but falls short I imagine they would look at training first.

It will depend what becomes industry standard. Any of the big firms or training organizations will rightly lobby for what they believe should be the standard.

In the building trade Yellow Safety Matting is to be used over trailing cable.
We are already seeing some forward thinking companies adopting this safe practice, it's not enough to warn of hazards you need to remove them.

The next thing, OCS are pushing the use safety hats for any working at height.
As I push the safety aspect I will be using them from now on. (Of course I need a new one with a neck strap.

In 5 years both of these will be in regular use.

The best thing to do is to embrace it and help it move forward.

[SunShineCleaning]

Maybe this one, don't forget if at height you will need a neck strap:

http://www.safetyshop.com/jsp-evo-linesman-helmet.html#P0275021000

[deeege]

Do you currently wear one of those hard helmets for regular window cleaning work on domestics sunshine?

[DG Cleaning]

Any breach of H&S can be fined. If someone phones it in they will assess it.
The idiot in Bath needed a lesson and at £2015 he got one.

If an accident occurs or they are willfully negligent they should be fined.

If someone is making an effort to follow H&S but falls short I imagine they would look at training first.

It will depend what becomes industry standard. Any of the big firms or training organizations will rightly lobby for what they believe should be the standard.

In the building trade Yellow Safety Matting is to be used over trailing cable.
We are already seeing some forward thinking companies adopting this safe practice, it's not enough to warn of hazards you need to remove them.

The next thing, OCS are pushing the use safety hats for any working at height.
As I push the safety aspect I will be using them from now on. (Of course I need a new one with a neck strap.

In 5 years both of these will be in regular use.

The best thing to do is to embrace it and help it move forward.

Your not working at height Sunshine that's why you bought a pole.
Do you feel left out cos your not wearing a helmet.
Last time I worked on a building site all cables had to be suspended off floor admittedly this was in NSW.
Oh and mats were considered a trip hazard perhaps the UK will catch up soon

[SunShineCleaning]

You're right I don't work at height, however, there are a couple of occasions when the ladder comes out. The Sky guys have to wear them and they have to secure their ladder to the wall.

I would guess that NSW will catch up at some point, the Aussies seem more laid back from my experience.

H&S will only go in one direction, embrace it dont fight it.

[deeege]

Do you also drill the wall and insert an eyebolt to secure your ladder to every time you use your ladders? (like the sky installers do)

If you don't, why?

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

It should be banned!!! Health & Safety that is.

[SunShineCleaning]

Do you also drill the wall and insert an eyebolt to secure your ladder to every time you use your ladders? (like the sky installers do)

If you don't, why?

Because I use it for access not to use power tools from. Plus I use ladder stabilizer for each use.

[DG Cleaning]

You're right I don't work at height, however, there are a couple of occasions when the ladder comes out. The Sky guys have to wear them and they have to secure their ladder to the wall.

I would guess that NSW will catch up at some point, the Aussies seem more laid back from my experience.

H&S will only go in one direction, embrace it dont fight it.

You've obviously never worked there then.
Over there H&S guys are allowed to give out on the spot fines and they are pretty hefty.
I worked in a shopping centre for a while on maintenance it was always drilled into us about unsafe acts especially in front of the public because h&s guys could be out shopping and they can fine you even when off duty.
The whole country is more tied up with legislation than here.
For example if you were to get drunk in a pub walk outside and have an accident the barman would be liable for allowing you to get drunk under the responsible alcohol laws.
The mat thing is common sense why have an additional trip hazard of a mat when you can eliminate the risk by elevating the cables.
Unfortunately the prevailing mood here is "its h&s you've got to get on board" instead of examining what we are actually doing and coming up with a proper safe working method.

[SunShineCleaning]

It depends on who is coming up with the proper safe working method.

Most of what I suggest is backed up by multi-national companies setting the pace first.

Those that snipe are usually individual keyboard warriors who just like to troll.

[DG Cleaning]

If you read Peter Fogwills post about large companies and wfp equipment tonight it sort of illustrates why they shouldn't lead on matters at the coal face so to speak.

[SunShineCleaning]

If you read Peter Fogwills post about large companies and wfp equipment tonight it sort of illustrates why they shouldn't lead on matters at the coal face so to speak.

The large company bosses should stay sat in their office when it comes to tools, however, they are the ones responsible for the safety of others.

For that reason, on safety  matters, you should follow their lead. It will filter down.

[DG Cleaning]

If you read Peter Fogwills post about large companies and wfp equipment tonight it sort of illustrates why they shouldn't lead on matters at the coal face so to speak.

The large company bosses should stay sat in their office when it comes to tools, however, they are the ones responsible for the safety of others.

For that reason, on safety  matters, you should follow their lead. It will filter down.

We're all responsible for our safety and that of others.
I'd rather take my lead from people experienced in the given task than someone with little or no experience.
If we follow blindly then we'll ultimately end up in a very dark place but that's what's happening more and more.
If you question it then you are against it.
Reminds me of America back in the 50's with their anti communist agenda.

[SunShineCleaning]

I'm not so arrogant to think that I can't learn something new from someone who is looking at life from a different perspective.

The problem with doing something a certain way for 20 years is that you become blind to the dangers.

When someone comes along with a safer approach we do well to take it on board and learn.

On here I'm not the one trolling every alternative view.

[Dave Willis]

Health and safety although common sense kind of kills the freedom of this job. I like the fact that I can wear what I like (shorts and tee shirt) no clumpy steel toe caps, headphones on - work when I want and where I want - stick the odd cone out now and again. No poncy high viz vest, but then that's domestic work for you.

If we ever get to the day where I have to wear a hard hat with chinstrap with goggles then it will be a sad sad day indeed. 

[SunShineCleaning]

Health and safety although common sense kind of kills the freedom of this job. I like the fact that I can wear what I like (shorts and tee shirt) no clumpy steel toe caps, headphones on - work when I want and where I want - stick the odd cone out now and again. No poncy high viz vest, but then that's domestic work for you.

If we ever get to the day where I have to wear a hard hat with chinstrap with goggles then it will be a sad sad day indeed. 

Goggles!

I hadn't thought of them, and who was it had an eye full of bird poo....?

[Dave Willis]

Pure water - I use it to light my barbecue!

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Health and safety although common sense kind of kills the freedom of this job. I like the fact that I can wear what I like (shorts and tee shirt) no clumpy steel toe caps, headphones on - work when I want and where I want - stick the odd cone out now and again. No poncy high viz vest, but then that's domestic work for you.

If we ever get to the day where I have to wear a hard hat with chinstrap with goggles then it will be a sad sad day indeed. 

I recommend a Gimp mask for domestics.

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

Gimp masks are compulsory round here. H&S you know.