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mlscontractcleaner

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Carbon poles = black hands
« on: April 09, 2013, 07:12:45 pm »
Do all carbon poles leave you with black, grubby hands?

The ones I use are from Ionics and are fine apart from this one major gripe.

I use a rather expensive carbon pole to fish with and that doesn't leave me with dirty hands so is it just us window cleaners being left with a crappy finish on our poles???

Mr gardiner, if you're on here tonight, please explain why wfp carbon poles don't have the same finish as my nice fishing pole.

Cheers
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PoleKing

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Re: Carbon poles = black hands
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2013, 07:35:03 pm »
My Swift 30 leaves black hands but 45 doesn't and 22 Grafter doesn't.
I think it has something to do with sliding the sections up and aggravating the surface.
You probably don't slide your fishing pole up and down as much.
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Alex Gardiner

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Re: Carbon poles = black hands
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2013, 07:39:09 pm »
Do all carbon poles leave you with black, grubby hands?

The ones I use are from Ionics and are fine apart from this one major gripe.

I use a rather expensive carbon pole to fish with and that doesn't leave me with dirty hands so is it just us window cleaners being left with a crappy finish on our poles???

Mr gardiner, if you're on here tonight, please explain why wfp carbon poles don't have the same finish as my nice fishing pole.

Cheers

Fishing poles are constructed very differently to telescopic poles. It is the effects of constant abrasion that will be producing black dust from your telescopic pole whatever it's make. If you have a pure carbon telescopic pole that is not yet producing dust it is either because it is too new or that it is not used much (as in a high level pole). When used repetitively with constant adjustments then the abrasion will produce dust.

'Put together' poles such as fishing poles or our Super-Lite modular pole do not produce black dust in the same way and keep their nice finish that they come with. When assembled as a telescopic pole the surfaces slide up and down each other - introduce some grit and dirt and the surface gets worn off. It is possible to have a nice glossy finish on these poles, some firms' poles have a glossy ridged finish and our early SLXs had a glossy smooth finish and the next ones had a glossy ridged finish. What happens to the glossy finish is that it quickly wears off and you are back to the same standard carbon material. This glossy finish is actually just an epoxy matrix finish that is left from the manufacturing process - it is not actually as tough as the carbon  material itself. Too thick a glossy finish will also add weight to the finished pole.

Some manufacturers have a glossy painted finish on their carbon poles, but this usually starts wearing off in just a couple of weeks and looks awful once it starts peeling - paint is a lot less hard wearing than carbon.

The new SLXII does have several methods employed to help slow the rate of wear, which should help with this - however this cannot be eliminated completely unless you change the material used, such as in a hybrid pole and then you lose rigidity.

What can be done to control such production of black dust? The first thing is to wear gloves at all times, even just disposable gloves are a good idea. This also helps with general hygiene. The second thing is to clean/wipe the pole hose after each use as you coil it away in the van. The third  thing is to keep the pole flushed through regularly with a hose pipe - once a week minimum is needed and should only take a minute to do. This should be done from new and will help prolong the life of the pole greatly. The fourth thing is to strip the pole down completely every three months or so and clean, dry off and spray with a dry-film lubricant.

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Carbon poles = black hands
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2013, 07:41:00 pm »
My Swift 30 leaves black hands but 45 doesn't and 22 Grafter doesn't.
I think it has something to do with sliding the sections up and aggravating the surface.
You probably don't slide your fishing pole up and down as much.

Your Swift is pure carbon and will get used a fair bit more than the 45 hence the dust production. The Grafter is only about 12.5% carbon so will not produce the same dust as it is mainly glass fibre.

Re: Carbon poles = black hands
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2013, 07:43:27 pm »
If I want to reach standard 2 storey windows, I differ which sections of pole I adjust throughout the day. I don't seem to suffer much from the dreaded black dust. Would that be why Alex? I have an 25ft extreme made by some southern company!  ;D

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Carbon poles = black hands
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2013, 07:48:14 pm »
If I want to reach standard 2 storey windows, I differ which sections of pole I adjust throughout the day. I don't seem to suffer much from the dreaded black dust. Would that be why Alex? I have an 25ft extreme made by some southern company!  ;D

There are two things in the Xtreme design which do help prevent this type of abrasive wear. However even these will produce black dust as they age. The reason that yours is not yet, may be that it is still too new. Keeping it well cleaned will help stave this off.

Adjusting different sections will help prevent repetitive wear so may contribute but probably not much.

Re: Carbon poles = black hands
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2013, 08:47:48 pm »
If I want to reach standard 2 storey windows, I differ which sections of pole I adjust throughout the day. I don't seem to suffer much from the dreaded black dust. Would that be why Alex? I have an 25ft extreme made by some southern company!  ;D

There are two things in the Xtreme design which do help prevent this type of abrasive wear. However even these will produce black dust as they age. The reason that yours is not yet, may be that it is still too new. Keeping it well cleaned will help stave this off.

Adjusting different sections will help prevent repetitive wear so may contribute but probably not much.
Ok. Thank you!  ;D
When you say cleaning, just strip it down and wash with water or should we be luring and lacquering as I've read on other threads?

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Carbon poles = black hands
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2013, 08:58:52 pm »
If I want to reach standard 2 storey windows, I differ which sections of pole I adjust throughout the day. I don't seem to suffer much from the dreaded black dust. Would that be why Alex? I have an 25ft extreme made by some southern company!  ;D

There are two things in the Xtreme design which do help prevent this type of abrasive wear. However even these will produce black dust as they age. The reason that yours is not yet, may be that it is still too new. Keeping it well cleaned will help stave this off.

Adjusting different sections will help prevent repetitive wear so may contribute but probably not much.
Ok. Thank you!  ;D
When you say cleaning, just strip it down and wash with water or should we be luring and lacquering as I've read on other threads?

Here is what I do:

1. Clean the pole hose when coiling away after each job. Simply run through a cloth in one hand.
2. About once  week (or after working on sandy soil) open up all of the clamps and extended each section by about 1ft. Lay the pole on the ground and lift up the base of the pole by about 1ft. Direct the full flow of a garden hose up the inside of the pole. This will slowly fill the pole with water and start to flush through the dirt. Do this for about 1 minute and let water pour out the top of the gooseneck. Then lay the pole down flat and lift up the gooseneck end and let the water flow back out of the pole. I then sometimes spray the hose around the clamps.
3. About every 6 months I take the pole apart to service. I remove the hose and take apart every section. I give everything a good clean, replace the joint-stop tape and then spray the overlap part of the sections with dry-film PTFE spray.

I do not ever use any lacquer or anything else. This take about 5 secs per job and about 3 minutes per week to carry out.


Re: Carbon poles = black hands
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2013, 09:06:05 pm »
If I want to reach standard 2 storey windows, I differ which sections of pole I adjust throughout the day. I don't seem to suffer much from the dreaded black dust. Would that be why Alex? I have an 25ft extreme made by some southern company!  ;D

There are two things in the Xtreme design which do help prevent this type of abrasive wear. However even these will produce black dust as they age. The reason that yours is not yet, may be that it is still too new. Keeping it well cleaned will help stave this off.

Adjusting different sections will help prevent repetitive wear so may contribute but probably not much.
Ok. Thank you!  ;D
When you say cleaning, just strip it down and wash with water or should we be luring and lacquering as I've read on other threads?

Here is what I do:

1. Clean the pole hose when coiling away after each job. Simply run through a cloth in one hand.
2. About once  week (or after working on sandy soil) open up all of the clamps and extended each section by about 1ft. Lay the pole on the ground and lift up the base of the pole by about 1ft. Direct the full flow of a garden hose up the inside of the pole. This will slowly fill the pole with water and start to flush through the dirt. Do this for about 1 minute and let water pour out the top of the gooseneck. Then lay the pole down flat and lift up the gooseneck end and let the water flow back out of the pole. I then sometimes spray the hose around the clamps.
3. About every 6 months I take the pole apart to service. I remove the hose and take apart every section. I give everything a good clean, replace the joint-stop tape and then spray the overlap part of the sections with dry-film PTFE spray.

I do not ever use any lacquer or anything else. This take about 5 secs per job and about 3 minutes per week to carry out.


Excellent advice. I'll do just that. Thank you.  :)

simonr

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Re: Carbon poles = black hands
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2013, 09:15:38 pm »
your a manual worker ffs do you really want girly hands

ben M

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Re: Carbon poles = black hands
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2013, 09:36:44 pm »
Mr Gardiner, when are we getting the new slxII? thanks

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Carbon poles = black hands
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2013, 09:58:31 pm »
Mr Gardiner, when are we getting the new slxII? thanks

Still on schedule for April  :)

one eyed window cleaning

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Re: Carbon poles = black hands
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2013, 10:53:07 pm »
It is April  ;) are you taking orders yet
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is King.

G Griffin

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Re: Carbon poles = black hands
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2013, 11:44:25 pm »
I don't have this problem.
Is it because I is black?
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ben M

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Re: Carbon poles = black hands
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2013, 11:46:58 pm »
I don't have this problem.
Is it because I is black?
are you trad?

KS Cleaning

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Re: Carbon poles = black hands
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2013, 11:50:17 pm »
I don't have this problem.
Is it because I is black?
;D ;D    Keep them coming Griff

Re: Carbon poles = black hands
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2013, 09:30:32 am »
STOP BEING RACIST TOWARDS BLACK POLES,THEY CANNOT HELP THE WAY THEY WERE MADE.