[Richard iSparkle]

Per day?

yes.  thats what we aim for on full days of reg cleans.  get it 4 days a week (give or take)

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

So your best days really, hey; lets be honest (full day, regular cleans)  

What about your crappy ones?


Because we did silly money profit the other day, but its not usual. I want to know what the average is. I dont think you're average figure is £400 profit per two man team, after all costs. Im not talking about turnover here.

[Dani J]

you need to factor that into your pricing Richy.

I pay £10.00 an hour to Darren which includes any time if we stop for lunch. Darren earns me approximately £100 a day after costs. I allow for ALL costs in my pricing. If he breaks something accidentally I pay for it; I take ALL the profits thus I accept I have to bear ANY costs. I employ him, we don't have a working partnership. If he breaks something wilfully we'll have a chat. If it happens again he's down the road.


I treat people as I would wish to be treated. That involves remuneration.

Im happy with the rewards I get from employing him. I think £100 per man per day is good profit. Correct me if Im wrong.

Hi Matt
So do you work together every day I take it?
£10 per hour, is it b4 tax and national insurance? or is it £10 after all that?

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

b4.

Darren is self employed. He has a small round of his own. He hasn't got enough work for himself as he screwed things up a while ago and lost a lot of his work, but he cleans on a reasonably regular basis with me. As he's self employed he deals with his own tax.

[Dani J]

b4.

Darren is self employed. He has a small round of his own. He hasn't got enough work for himself as he screwed things up a while ago and lost a lot of his work, but he cleans on a reasonably regular basis with me. As he's self employed he deals with his own tax.

I see, thanks for the info, so after tax and national insurance, he take home around £7.00 per hour. 

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

You'll have to ask him, his tax is his tax  

But I guess so :-)

[deeege]

So between two of them thats how much per man?

one on his own profit £250

two man team profit £400

How are you finding being VAT registered Richard?

[dazmond]

i dont understand why you cant just use the normal standard ladder clamps at around £20 a pop?far cheaper and their solid richy.had mine for about 3 years now!albeit i only take the ladders off a couple of times a week these days!!

[Dani J]

You'll have to ask him, his tax is his tax  

But I guess so :-)

Yeh I thought so 
£7.00 per hour is the going rate 

[richywilts]

i dont understand why you cant just use the normal standard ladder clamps at around £20 a pop?far cheaper and their solid richy.had mine for about 3 years now!albeit i only take the ladders off a couple of times a week these days!!

i seen them and thought id give them a go u can lock them and also you dont have to spin them round 300 times to move the ladder it just slides up the other one rust up had a few problems with the usual ones bought some and im sure the spinning thing was too small for the threaded hook

just idea of them being more secure if lads took the vans home as none live in the most desirable places

[richywilts]

b4.

Darren is self employed. He has a small round of his own. He hasn't got enough work for himself as he screwed things up a while ago and lost a lot of his work, but he cleans on a reasonably regular basis with me. As he's self employed he deals with his own tax.

your going on about all us not paying great wages etc but our staff get a lot more benefits than yours 28 days holiday etc £10 per hour aint that great really being self employed does he provide his own van etc

[telfordwindowclnr]

I would and have charged, they sign to say they are responsible and something broken in neglect will be replaced.

One lad hit a wall while reversing I ain't paying for it simple another lad has damaged 5 taps in 8 weeks cause he drags them drops them and doesn't care.

Staff will abuse your equipment if they can cause they don't care, now if you make them responsible and the relies the outcome of neglect they should soon try too think before they abuse

Hi ronnie. Hope you are well mate! Did you know your website for gutter cleaning Stockport is wrong at the link won't work?

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

does he provide his own van etc

No.

[telfordwindowclnr]

So between two of them thats how much per man?

one on his own profit £250

two man team profit £400

Dude, if you are cutting those figures, which i do not doubt, I have 2 questions.

1. How the hell do you you do that? (I would like to know cos I am obviously doing something wrong!  )
2. What the hell are you doing writing that on here? You should be sipping a martini on your own Caribbean island having done a hard days surfing, with the sun going down, cafe del mar by energy 52 playing in the background, with your ever-loving wife beside you, feeding you peeled grapes and promising you whatever you want that night for....tea!  

[G Griffin]

Replace the clamps with a length of rope and let them use it in future.

Give them enough rope and...........

[Richard iSparkle]

So your best days really, hey; lets be honest (full day, regular cleans)  

What about your crappy ones?


Because we did silly money profit the other day, but its not usual. I want to know what the average is. I dont think you're average figure is £400 profit per two man team, after all costs. Im not talking about turnover here.

Hi Matt,

those figures are for our typical days.  this is week in week out, rain, snow, wind, whatever.  the only thing that prevents this are if the system stops working, which is very infrequent.

we are still building up our rounds and so not every day is like this.  80% of our days are, i would say.

days which are not hitting these figures are days when we are doing first cleans, conny roofs whatever. as these spare days fill up they will hit the figures that the other 80% do.

these are pretty good figures i know, but i also know that they are not unique and there are other people here hitting this type of thing.

[DG Cleaning]

So between two of them thats how much per man?

one on his own profit £250

two man team profit £400

Dude, if you are cutting those figures, which i do not doubt, I have 2 questions.

1. How the hell do you you do that? (I would like to know cos I am obviously doing something wrong!  )
2. What the hell are you doing writing that on here? You should be sipping a martini on your own Caribbean island having done a hard days surfing, with the sun going down, cafe del mar by energy 52 playing in the background, with your ever-loving wife beside you, feeding you peeled grapes and promising you whatever you want that night for....tea!  

Energy 52