[G Griffin]

Tosh, there's a difference between a fault and having no control over something.
You could regularly service your van but it could still go wrong. It might be something simple, you 'man up' and sort it. But it could be something major, so you need professional help to get it fixed.
If you feel depressed and you can't fix yourself, you could feel even more inadequate and then it snowballs.
I know what you mean, though. Sometimes we can snap ourselves out of the 'blues' but if someone has depression, then they need help to fix something that they might not be able to. 

Read my post, I did say if it meant I had to see the GP, then I would.  But then I'd have to do more than just that though; there are many many things we can do to help ourselves in this area.

But if you were depressed you might not think so rationally.
People with depression often don't think well of themselves, so blaming themselves could worsen it.
Recognising something and blaming something or someone are different.

This is exactly the type of namby pamby talk that created the psycho babbling industry that purports to treat and cure depression,an industry continually barking up the wrong tree and which continually invents  newer and better treatment methods basically because the previous ones don`t work. It creates patients.

Would you recommend suicide rather than treatment?  That would reduce the number of patients.

[dazmond]

i agree with paul about keeping it simple richy.less stress,more peace of mind.hope your on the mend.for me personally its about realising I NEED some sort of therapy at times!!

you wont find it chasing work and money if thats what your doing all the time.its about balance and being open and honest with people,working hard but KNOWING WHEN TO TAKE A BREAK AND NOT TAKE TOO MUCH ON!!

quite a few on this post has had various problems with drugs and alcohol and depression.

luckily for me im a friend of bill W s so i count myself very lucky that i can change the landscape of my mind and spirit by following a few simple rules and acting on them on a day to day basis with the help of others.

best wishes to you all


dazmond

[Nameless Drudge]

Tosh, there's a difference between a fault and having no control over something.
You could regularly service your van but it could still go wrong. It might be something simple, you 'man up' and sort it. But it could be something major, so you need professional help to get it fixed.
If you feel depressed and you can't fix yourself, you could feel even more inadequate and then it snowballs.
I know what you mean, though. Sometimes we can snap ourselves out of the 'blues' but if someone has depression, then they need help to fix something that they might not be able to.  

Read my post, I did say if it meant I had to see the GP, then I would.  But then I'd have to do more than just that though; there are many many things we can do to help ourselves in this area.

But if you were depressed you might not think so rationally.
People with depression often don't think well of themselves, so blaming themselves could worsen it.
Recognising something and blaming something or someone are different.

This is exactly the type of namby pamby talk that created the psycho babbling industry that purports to treat and cure depression,an industry continually barking up the wrong tree and which continually invents  newer and better treatment methods basically because the previous ones don`t work. It creates patients.

Would you recommend suicide rather than treatment?  That would reduce the number of patients.

Not everyone that commits suicide is depressed. The horror of suicide is nearly always the first thought of a person when they are told someone has depression.Hence the sympathy extended to Richy Wilts,nobody is going to lose too much sleep if we think he`s a bit down and pi**ed off most of the time but its a totally different ball game if the word depression is mentioned as we conjure up him hanging from a noose and must tread ever so carefully in case we might say something that makes us culpable.So people think sympathy but they are thinking sympathy because they are scared of the end result and don`t actually know what else to say.So lots of stuff goes unsaid that ought to be and the sufferer remains untreated and fixed into patient mode as the root cause is ignored or hidden as the patient enjoys the sympathy. Weeks or months/years later the undiscovered root cause has no more significance to the patient and recovery is seen and this will be recorded as attributable to the treatment given and not to the the fact that the root cause has simply lost its potency.

[poleman]

Read my post, I did say if it meant I had to see the GP, then I would.  But then I'd have to do more than just that though; there are many many things we can do to help ourselves in this area.

I found the NHS to be not that good! they did help me in a small way with CBT (cognitive behavioural therapy) which in short tells you to catch you bad thoughts when they happen and learn to switch them! and stops the snow ball effect of negative think which leads to depression, i like to call it mindfulness

Richard, your mental health is more important than anything else! my starting point when i was first diagnose was to take regular exercise, eat healthy diet, and socialize, from then on its your road to take, I took the road of meditation then buddhism and some self help books, i have some friends that used neurolinguistics, so its your road to take as no one can take it for you!

 

[Tom White]

Not everyone that commits suicide is depressed. The horror of suicide is nearly always the first thought of a person when they are told someone has depression.Hence the sympathy extended to Richy Wilts,nobody is going to lose too much sleep if we think he`s a bit down and pi**ed off most of the time but its a totally different ball game if the word depression is mentioned as we conjure up him hanging from a noose and must tread ever so carefully in case we might say something that makes us culpable.So people think sympathy but they are thinking sympathy because they are scared of the end result and don`t actually know what else to say.So lots of stuff goes unsaid that ought to be and the sufferer remains untreated and fixed into patient mode as the root cause is ignored or hidden as the patient enjoys the sympathy. Weeks or months/years later the undiscovered root cause has no more significance to the patient and recovery is seen and this will be recorded as attributable to the treatment given.

I think that's a fair one, but you must be extremely careful about telling people not to take prescribed medicines.  I believe in the 1970s our organisation came under a lot of scrutiny because some foaming-at-the-mouth members were saying stuff like, "You're not sober if you're taking anti depressants", so people were stopping taking them, then ending up committing suicide.

It really is a huge 'no no'.  I've never heard it said, but if I did, I'd have to jump on it; it really is terrible advice.

But I agree with the sentiment of your post; you seem to be saying we condition people into thinking they're worse than they actually are.  I think there could be some truth in that, but again, you've got to be smart in how you explain tough stuff.

I mean most, if not all, of our problems have their roots in self centredness - however if you tell someone that - they'll get annoyed and point out their problems are external, not internal (it's work, my wife, my kids, etc, etc).  So, maybe it's the way you explain yourself which has annoyed some members here? 

[deeege]

Nameless drudge do yourself a favour and stop posting about something you clearly know nothing about.

Tosh, Is there the option on this forum to block all posts from certain people?

[Ian101]

i agree with paul about keeping it simple richy.less stress,more peace of mind.hope your on the mend.for me personally its about realising I NEED some sort of therapy at times!!

you wont find it chasing work and money if thats what your doing all the time.its about balance and being open and honest with people,working hard but KNOWING WHEN TO TAKE A BREAK AND NOT TAKE TOO MUCH ON!!

quite a few on this post has had various problems with drugs and alcohol and depression.

luckily for me im a friend of bill W s so i count myself very lucky that i can change the landscape of my mind and spirit by following a few simple rules and acting on them on a day to day basis with the help of others.

best wishes to you all


dazmond

who is bill w

or am i being slow ?

[G Griffin]

There are different types and levels 'depression'.
Someone might just need a kick up the arse, get out to work and feel better. Someone else might need specialist help, medication and therapy.
Looking for answers in a couple of sentences could be risky.

[Tom White]

There are different types and levels 'depression'.
Someone might just need a kick up the arse, get out to work and feel better. Someone else might need specialist help, medication and therapy.
Looking for answers in a couple of sentences could be risky.

Yes, I agree.  I'm going to lock this post now, I think.  If someone wants to start a new one, in a general sense, there's the off topic area.

If anyone has any problems with me locking this post, I'm prepared to discuss it by e-mail.

[Tom White]

who is bill w

It's a bit like being a 'friend of Dorothy'.  Google for it.