[Phil Taylor]

To join TACCA you must have the following:

 •Hot water extraction machine with minimum 135psi and twin vacs
Derek has set this ratio so I take it he think's you can't clean carpets with a 100psi twin vac or a 100psi single vac. Well, I got news for him, there are 1000's cleaning carpets everyday using single vac machines. It's nothing to do with the machinery, it's the tech behind it!

 •At least 1 rotary machine
Leading carpet manufacturer's don't recommend using a rotary on carpets for fear of damage being caused to the fibres and permenant pile reversal etc etc, so why does TACCA stipulate having machinery that is not recommended by the people who actually make the carpets?

 •Some form of mechanical agitation
Why mechanical, can't one use a grooming brush? Works on the same principle.
 
•Full insurance
Wow, I actually agree with this one.

 •At least 2 forms of recognised training.
Training is no way a form or guarantee of competance.

Is this the equipment and training Derek has? Is this what he thinks a carpet cleaner should have? Is this all he knows?

If you were starting a new organisation what would you have put in as standard requirements for a successful application?

[craignozza]

I think this is getting border line harrasment to derek west now ..If your so sure that what you are using is the right way of going about your job then i suggest you crack on with it and stop wasting your valuable time starting bitchy threads on here ! because  i think a lot of people on here are probably getting bored of it by now . im not pro ncca or tacca but im supportive of somebody who is trying to do something good for this industry . ive never met derek but hats off to him for getting of his bum and doing something ..what good are you doing !

[Mr Dvae]

1 equipment: must be professional kit. must be pat tested otherwise your insurance may be compromised.
2 insurance : must include items being worked on minimum £5m public liability
3 method statement: it's all very well having training but how are you going to use it?
4 A health and safety policy must be prepared
5 A sign written vehicle that promotes a professional image

Shall i go on?
Unfortunately buying cleaning from 3 different companies might result in 3 different results so how do you put in a standard that is reached by all which is what  TACCA presumably all about?

Dave

[Mr Dvae]

Well done Derek for starting out on something that hopefully will be well worthwhile to us all.

Dave

[peter maybury]

if ever you would like to bring your grooming brush and your "extraction machine" to see why 1000 's of carpet cleaners are total idiots, bring your equipment down and spend a few hour with me.

Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com

[Phil Taylor]

if ever you would like to bring your grooming brush and your "extraction machine" to see why 1000 's of carpet cleaners are total idiots, bring your equipment down and spend a few hour with me.

Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com

Do you really think you can only clean carpets with a TM?   

All of us other's who use 'inferior' portables are your 'subjects' I take it?

[derek west]

1 equipment: must be professional kit. must be pat tested otherwise your insurance may be compromised.
2 insurance : must include items being worked on minimum £5m public liability
3 method statement: it's all very well having training but how are you going to use it?
4 A health and safety policy must be prepared
5 A sign written vehicle that promotes a professional image

Shall i go on?
Unfortunately buying cleaning from 3 different companies might result in 3 different results so how do you put in a standard that is reached by all which is what  TACCA presumably all about?

Dave

some excellent points there dave, and certainly something we all can work on, early days at the moment so we're just building the foundations. and with phils help, keeping TACCA in the public (forums) eyes its all going well.

[mike ross]

Sorry if I've missed the plot but how do you join?

[Jim_77]

if ever you would like to bring your grooming brush and your "extraction machine" to see why 1000 's of carpet cleaners are total idiots, bring your equipment down and spend a few hour with me.

Peter

hahahaha!  laughed my a$$ off at that one!!

Nice one, Mr Peter "straight talker" Maybury

[robert meldrum]

Phil

I really don't think it will matter too much as it will almost certainly have become a memory in a matter of months.

People and organisations with considerably more experience, knowledge, qualifications have made efforts to generate interest in some form of organisation for INDEPENDENT carpet cleaners and they failed due to APATHY.

Two highly experienced and highly regarded individuals took a slightly more direct approach to raising the status of c/c's by offering hands on training which was well supported and I believe highly informative to many.
At least they were coming from a qualified ( IICRC mainly )  background and were both proven to be excellent communicators and demonstrators of techniques. They ( as far as I know ) did not put the cart before the horse although they may have had aspirations to add membership to a " group " in order to obtain deals for members in supplies, insurances, etc.

I may be wrong but I think the emergence of tacca has put their plans on the back burner........for now !

Throughout my varied life there have ALWAYS been individuals and companies who caused sole traders grief by offering their goods / services at low prices and caused mutterings among the sole traders who often got together and in some cases FORMED ASSOCIATIONS IN THE HOPE THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD APPRECIATE THE DIFFERENCE ...........unfortunately it has always been the same with the majority of consumers, that PRICE IS KING.

With so many " ripoff " type programmes on TV AND MANY OF THE CON MERCHANTS DISPLAYING LOGOS AND EVEN BEING MEMBERS OF TRADES ASSOCIATIONS the public has little or no trust in such memberships.

There have been and still are a fair number of very successful c/c's on this forum with a huge diversity in MACHINERY, PRODUCT USE, METHODS OF CLEANING AND PRICING.

Some target and win work at the top end of the market, others are happy to work for lower rates but often have higher productivity and earn as much, others beaver away at the lower end , attend all the training and seminars on marketing, use their extensive experience to deliver fantastic value to their customers.

No single approach is, or should be considered " correct "and any attempt to set a standard ( outwith accepted and recognised National/ International is doomed to fail.

I would never claim to be a buddy of Paul Moss or Dave ( Liahona ) but if they offer the kind of experience that improves individuals confidence and abilities I'd suggest they are a better bet.

If P M disagrees with the above or wants me to, I will remove this thread. It's posted as an opinion gleened from being on this forum for 7 or 8 years

[Phil Taylor]

Oh dear, the truckmounter's have it in for porty uses again!

[Phil Taylor]

Phil

I really don't think it will matter too much as it will almost certainly have become a memory in a matter of months.

People and organisations with considerably more experience, knowledge, qualifications have made efforts to generate interest in some form of organisation for INDEPENDENT carpet cleaners and they failed due to APATHY.

Two highly experienced and highly regarded individuals took a slightly more direct approach to raising the status of c/c's by offering hands on training which was well supported and I believe highly informative to many.
At least they were coming from a qualified ( IICRC mainly )  background and were both proven to be excellent communicators and demonstrators of techniques. They ( as far as I know ) did not put the cart before the horse although they may have had aspirations to add membership to a " group " in order to obtain deals for members in supplies, insurances, etc.

I may be wrong but I think the emergence of tacca has put their plans on the back burner........for now !

Throughout my varied life there have ALWAYS been individuals and companies who caused sole traders grief by offering their goods / services at low prices and caused mutterings among the sole traders who often got together and in some cases FORMED ASSOCIATIONS IN THE HOPE THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD APPRECIATE THE DIFFERENCE ...........unfortunately it has always been the same with the majority of consumers, that PRICE IS KING.

With so many " ripoff " type programmes on TV AND MANY OF THE CON MERCHANTS DISPLAYING LOGOS AND EVEN BEING MEMBERS OF TRADES ASSOCIATIONS the public has little or no trust in such memberships.

There have been and still are a fair number of very successful c/c's on this forum with a huge diversity in MACHINERY, PRODUCT USE, METHODS OF CLEANING AND PRICING.

Some target and win work at the top end of the market, others are happy to work for lower rates but often have higher productivity and earn as much, others beaver away at the lower end , attend all the training and seminars on marketing, use their extensive experience to deliver fantastic value to their customers.

No single approach is, or should be considered " correct "and any attempt to set a standard ( outwith accepted and recognised National/ International is doomed to fail.

I would never claim to be a buddy of Paul Moss or Dave ( Liahona ) but if they offer the kind of experience that improves individuals confidence and abilities I'd suggest they are a better bet.

If P M disagrees with the above or wants me to, I will remove this thread. It's posted as an opinion gleened from being on this forum for 7 or 8 years

Agree 100% Robert, good post.

[robert meldrum]

YEAH my post will only be seen as negative by many and we have to remember, a lot of people have a need to be a " member " of something. Something to do with the old 80% - 20% rule ( followers / leaders.)

[Paul Moss]

Phil

I really don't think it will matter too much as it will almost certainly have become a memory in a matter of months.

People and organisations with considerably more experience, knowledge, qualifications have made efforts to generate interest in some form of organisation for INDEPENDENT carpet cleaners and they failed due to APATHY.

Two highly experienced and highly regarded individuals took a slightly more direct approach to raising the status of c/c's by offering hands on training which was well supported and I believe highly informative to many.
At least they were coming from a qualified ( IICRC mainly )  background and were both proven to be excellent communicators and demonstrators of techniques. They ( as far as I know ) did not put the cart before the horse although they may have had aspirations to add membership to a " group " in order to obtain deals for members in supplies, insurances, etc.

I may be wrong but I think the emergence of tacca has put their plans on the back burner........for now !

Throughout my varied life there have ALWAYS been individuals and companies who caused sole traders grief by offering their goods / services at low prices and caused mutterings among the sole traders who often got together and in some cases FORMED ASSOCIATIONS IN THE HOPE THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD APPRECIATE THE DIFFERENCE ...........unfortunately it has always been the same with the majority of consumers, that PRICE IS KING.

With so many " ripoff " type programmes on TV AND MANY OF THE CON MERCHANTS DISPLAYING LOGOS AND EVEN BEING MEMBERS OF TRADES ASSOCIATIONS the public has little or no trust in such memberships.

There have been and still are a fair number of very successful c/c's on this forum with a huge diversity in MACHINERY, PRODUCT USE, METHODS OF CLEANING AND PRICING.

Some target and win work at the top end of the market, others are happy to work for lower rates but often have higher productivity and earn as much, others beaver away at the lower end , attend all the training and seminars on marketing, use their extensive experience to deliver fantastic value to their customers.

No single approach is, or should be considered " correct "and any attempt to set a standard ( outwith accepted and recognised National/ International is doomed to fail.

I would never claim to be a buddy of Paul Moss or Dave ( Liahona ) but if they offer the kind of experience that improves individuals confidence and abilities I'd suggest they are a better bet.

If P M disagrees with the above or wants me to, I will remove this thread. It's posted as an opinion gleened from being on this forum for 7 or 8 years

Robert over the years  me and you have always had our own views/opinions and on many occassions have not seen eye to eye the same I can say for Dave L, this is a good thing as we stand for what we believe in and not the P C way or follow the crowd, however all our comments have only been made to help and further others.

Like all your comments over the years I read and digest and your point is always a valid one, so there is no need for anything you have posted to be removed by your self.

Re organisations both CLEAN and TACCA I have had some small input/advice given and I fully believe that there is a need for a different type of Association with a different format to NCCA . More a real hands on type Association. I look forward to see what the future brings.

[wynne jones]

YEAH my post will only be seen as negative by many and we have to remember, a lot of people have a need to be a " member " of something. Something to do with the old 80% - 20% rule ( followers / leaders.)

Robert I don't think your necessarily negative but do come across as condescending sometimes and that you know best and everyone else is foolish.

Let Derek get on with it and if people want to join they are bright enough to make their own decisions. They don't need you or Mr Taylor to talk down to them.