[clarkson]

 Hi
 Has anyone read the article on page three of window talk. interesting. I know the trad/wfp argument rages on but seems to me there is some clarification here although still subjective and open to interpretation.

 it states the hse would consider it unlikely that a risk assessment for window cleaning would identify a ladder as suitable equipment for work above first floor level. Then clarifies that first floor levels can vary and puts in a guide of over 6metres.

I would suggest this could imply that laddering over 6meters  could leave you open to litigation in the case of a fall.

 It also offers clarification of the previous problem phrase 'reasonably practicable' to my supprise it does allow for cost to be considered in this equation.

It uses the term dissproportionate. It uses the example that a company could not pay out 1million to stop a few staff occasionaly banging there knees causing bruising.

it would or should pay out 1 million pounds to stop an explosion that could kill 150 people.

So is it dissproportionate to buy a wfp system for domestic window cleaning. I suppose this depends on your point of view and how much that much money means to you.

 You can get a trolley and static with merlin set up for what 1500. to go out and earn 150 - 200 a day.  Iam seeing berlingos with 400 litre tanks or equivalant on here for 3000.

 I do not see how you can now argue that to buy a few thousand pounds worth of equipment to earn that much per month is 'dissproportianate'.

Therefor by this reasoning to this it is  reasonably practicable to use wfp on all window cleaning despite set up costs and ladders should not be used.

I bet half agree and the other half dont

I wish we could ask all the window cleaners who died in a fall if they would go wfp.

[Paul Coleman]

There was a time I might have disagreed with you.  However, long before I went for WFP, I would have changed my mind.  Two near misses in quick succession have a great way of focusing the mind on safety.
There was less competition in WFP installations back then so, as a consequence, installations were rather more expensive.  Not as expensive as having six months off with broken legs though (or possibly worse).

[[GQC] Tim]

The outlay of a wfp system is peanuts, especially seeing how much you can make with it. Nobody is saying you need an Ionics (etc) system anyway. Compare the outlay to the value of ones life, there is no argument against that.

[clarkson]

 hi
 iam just commenting on whats been said in this report not really taking any stance as such but i have to say i agree its just not worth it.

 cheers
  john

[Nathanael Jones]

I think that most other professions require a larger investment in equipment/tools than WFP costs us guys,.. so IMO the cost issue might stop WFP being reasonably practicable for the first few months in business,.. but if you're going for years you can't use the cost as an excuse really.