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billozz

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self employed problem
« on: September 30, 2010, 03:55:44 pm »
help please guys,
we have 2 vans and we would like work together ( me and my brother ) and put another person in the other van, we would prefer him to be self employed as we dont want all the hassle of an employee. we buy all the stuff for the van, all the customers are ours, we maintain the van, we own all the equipment, tank,poles etc, in fact all that he does is the work, which we pay him for.
i would appreciate any thoughts on this and especially from anyone who has this setup now, we dont want to do anything dodgy just looking for advise on whether what we wnat to do is ok
thanks again
Bill
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Central Window Cleaners

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Re: self employed problem
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2010, 04:13:39 pm »
I think on the basis you have described he would be classed as employed.

One way round I think this would be to rent the van, equipment and work to him on a percentage basis.
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billozz

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Re: self employed problem
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2010, 05:34:56 pm »
Quote from: Central Window Cleaners on September 30, 2010, 04:13:39 pm
I think on the basis you have described he would be classed as employed.

One way round I think this would be to rent the van, equipment and work to him on a percentage basis.
yes we thought that might be the case and we also thought that would be the answer thanks for the reply
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gavin pedley

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Re: self employed problem
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2010, 05:40:24 pm »
There is a company near us that does just that they provide van equipment etc all the person does is clean.

But they are self employed they have to get there round together and do there taxes the company tak a % of what they earn
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david coats

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Re: self employed problem
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2010, 05:47:21 am »
taking a percentage is a good idea but how would you ensure you get your money from them say if they owed you £50 and they say all they collected was £20 and what about the maintainence of the van and equipment that would all have to come out of your percentage
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kate1

Re: self employed problem
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2010, 06:22:42 am »
If its going to be long term, you can only be self employed for 1 year working for the same company - any longer then you have to be employed.  Not sure how it would work with public liability, would the chap have to get his own?  Think OP your best asking an accountant.
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the bfg

Re: self employed problem
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2010, 07:30:02 am »
why not speak to your accountant about it ?
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gewindows

Re: self employed problem
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2010, 09:07:28 am »
Quote from: david coats on October 01, 2010, 05:47:21 am
taking a percentage is a good idea but how would you ensure you get your money from them say if they owed you £50 and they say all they collected was £20 and what about the maintainence of the van and equipment that would all have to come out of your percentage

Ive worked on a percentage basis before. It was a given that I gave the guy I rented the round from £50 a week. Why would it be his responsibility to collect the money. It was mine. If I hadnt collected enough to pay him I shouldnt have been in business.
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ronnie paton

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Re: self employed problem
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2010, 04:24:40 pm »
youll get different answers from different people and different accountants, many in the buildering trade do exacely the same and when i layed electric cable i was lassed has self employed even though we used the vehicle and equipment.

i know one company local that has several vans there vans and all staff are self employed!!

so there must be away to be able to be self employed and doing most your work for one company
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Paul-pp

Re: self employed problem
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2010, 09:27:38 pm »
If you provide the tools etc - he is your employee in the eyes of the law.
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darren clarke

Re: self employed problem
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2010, 09:34:31 pm »
Quote from: ronnie paton on October 01, 2010, 04:24:40 pm
youll get different answers from different people and different accountants, many in the buildering trade do exacely the same and when i layed electric cable i was lassed has self employed even though we used the vehicle and equipment.

i know one company local that has several vans there vans and all staff are self employed!!

so there must be away to be able to be self employed and doing most your work for one company

this was with a cis card, am not too sure weather this can be used for wc it is a grey area

the only way i think u can get around it is to rent the equipment to him on a franchise type thing,  ie  he pays you a set amount each month   or a percentage of what he does that month,  other than that he is employed,   i know the tax man is clamping down on self employed and what is and isnt,  even if you get him to agree that he is self employed and he gets pulled  the tax man might decide he was employed and send u a bill for there extra ni and tax
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Tom White

Re: self employed problem
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2010, 02:35:00 pm »
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