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JSMC

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FSB who all are members?
« on: June 07, 2010, 07:56:53 pm »
also what cost and benefits of it all?

Moderator David@stives

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Re: FSB who all are members?
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2010, 08:01:13 pm »
me

cost £200 plus vat

Benefits , none as of yet

Dave Willis

Re: FSB who all are members?
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2010, 08:10:15 pm »
ouch!

I've often wondered of the benefits and the only one that always pops up is that you get help if you are ever investigated by the inland revenue. All the other benefits seem to be a secret ???

LQQK

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Re: FSB who all are members?
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2010, 08:11:10 pm »
Me.

£125.00

I only joined for the all inclusive legal benefits (including the tax investigation stuff)

mci services

Re: FSB who all are members?
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2010, 08:26:41 pm »
Me.

£125.00

I only joined for the all inclusive legal benefits (including the tax investigation stuff)

same here and the free banking i never got because i failed the credit cheque

Window Washers

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Re: FSB who all are members?
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2010, 08:41:04 pm »
I'm a member not used any of there things as yet
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

Central Window Cleaners

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Re: FSB who all are members?
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2010, 09:10:17 pm »
I am with the FPB which I also mainly took out for the legal services

mci services

Re: FSB who all are members?
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2010, 09:16:55 pm »
whos the fpb

david watts

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Re: FSB who all are members?
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2010, 09:26:08 pm »
like to join the fbi ;D
life is like a box of chocolates you get the crap no one else wants

BORBRYCE

Re: FSB who all are members?
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2010, 09:48:20 pm »
So you are all joining for the free legal stuff. Mmmmm well dodgy the lot of you. ::)

BDCS

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Re: FSB who all are members?
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2010, 09:55:42 pm »
Get the bloke round and ask ! They sort the legal stuff, get the free banking with the co op, get cheaper insurance, health care and a very cheap card terminal. My cost was £150 which is set in stone forever

Dave Willis

Re: FSB who all are members?
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2010, 07:53:11 am »
.......... so what is the point in joining? Convince me.

Paul Coleman

Re: FSB who all are members?
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2010, 08:26:38 am »
.......... so what is the point in joining? Convince me.

1) Calculate what an IR investigation would cost you in time, non tax deductible accountancy fees, aggro, and stress.  These still apply even to the totally innocent.

2) Shop around for an insurance policy quotation against 1) occurring.

3)  Add in free business banking (if you want it).

4) Add in a legal helpline (again, if you want it - you never know what may crop up).

5)  There is also access to various meetings/seminars where it may be possible to mingle and promote your business to other businesses.  This usually costs a bit extra though on a per meeting basis (often with food thrown in).

6)  When WFP companies in the southeast were faced with extinction during the drought a few years ago, the FSB was the most powerful voice behind the scenes lobbying in the places where it matters.  It will never be known for certain how much their efforts delayed the banning of WFP (and cerain other businesses) until the rain came and prevented the scenario.  I would agree that non members would have benefitted equally from this but to make such representations does cost money.

7)  The FSB fee is tax deductible so effectively costs about 28% less than the gross figure (the tax saving is more for higher tax payers).

8)  You get a free magazine once in a while.  Occasionally there is actually something of interest in it.

9)  Access to a website - subject to providing your membership card number.

10)  I suppose that usage of their logo on stationery might swing getting a particular type of job.  Although there is no prior vetting of members, the fact that someone has taken the trouble to join such an organisation can give the impression that they are not a transient company.  That can sometimes be quite important in a trade that has a here today/gone tomorrow reputation.

I regard it as an insurance policy in the main - but one where I don't actually feel ripped off.  I did have cause to phone the legal helpline on one occasion but the situation was resolved without needing them in the end.
My membership costs me £100 a year.  The first year was higher as there is a setup fee - possibly some of that fee went to the guy who visited me.  There genuinely is no hard sell about this.

The only down side I have encountered is that sometimes other members phone you on telesales calls.  This is very unusual though (perhaps 8 calls in 3 years).  Some of them make it sound like they ARE the FSB rather than being honest that they are just members.  I always question it now when they say they are from the FSB because, without fail, they then admit that they are just members.  I feel this is sharp practice but no fault of the FSB itself.

I'm not trying to convince you to join.  I'm not bothered one way or t'other.  But you did ask why people join it.


Central Window Cleaners

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Re: FSB who all are members?
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2010, 12:54:27 pm »
Forum for Private Business, found out about them a few years ago when I used to go to the breakfast meetings

http://www.fpb.org/

JSMC

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Re: FSB who all are members?
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2010, 12:58:05 pm »
the points above that paul made have now given me serious thought about joining it.

jjames

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Re: FSB who all are members?
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2010, 08:20:19 pm »
We recently joined for our shop because a friend recomended them. What a waste of time, we were told they could do cheap telephone ( we have found it a lot cheaper), cheap insurance ( we have found it £150 cheaper), free business banking ( dont bother with co op they take ages and offer no help at all, go with santander) cheap card terminal ( this is cheaper and may just about cover the £150 fsb joining fee) The rep is useless and every time we ring for assistance he never calls back. Wish we never bothered!

Paul Coleman

Re: FSB who all are members?
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2010, 11:33:07 pm »
the points above that paul made have now given me serious thought about joining it.

Additionally, if you take up the free business banking, they put £25 into your account each anniversary - even if you hardly use it.  So if you are a sole trader paying £100 a year for your membership of FSB, you get tax/NI relief taking it down to £78.  Then you get £25 a year paid back to you making the effective fee £53.  It may be that the £25 is taxed.  I'm not sure about that.  It may be an after tax amount but I will need to enquire about that.

Paul Coleman

Re: FSB who all are members? New
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2010, 11:47:53 pm »
We recently joined for our shop because a friend recomended them. What a waste of time, we were told they could do cheap telephone ( we have found it a lot cheaper), cheap insurance ( we have found it £150 cheaper), free business banking ( dont bother with co op they take ages and offer no help at all, go with santander) cheap card terminal ( this is cheaper and may just about cover the £150 fsb joining fee) The rep is useless and every time we ring for assistance he never calls back. Wish we never bothered!

I already had decent phone deals before joining and my insurances are non standard anyway.  However, on the free banking I would only partly agree with you.  Bear in mind that they give you £25 each anniversary for banking with the Co-op.
I have used Santander for years.  They are great for me for cash and cheque deposits because I can deposit 24/7 and I live within easy walk of a branch.  Where Santander badly let themself down is poor customer service generally and, wait for it, they don't supply the BACS references.  If a customer pays you by direct bank transfer, Santander actually expect you to guess who has paid.  I've gone on and on at them for a very long time over this issue - even raising a formal complaint.  It was left as "We might resolve this in the future but it's not something we are bothered about" (my words but that was the gist of it).  So I started the Co-op account purely to receive the BACS payments.  My customer references are based on their address/postcode.  Often I can tell who has paid.  However, as electronic payments increase and cheques decline, it is going to be more and more important to have those references showing.  Cheques will be abolished in 2018.  I even (sarcastically) asked Santander if it was OK for me to just quote "P Coleman" rather than my 16 digit card number when paying my credit card.
What made this even worse was that Santander used to show these references then suddenly stopped - just as I was starting to gear my business up for such payments.  I really did rip them to shreds.  I won't repeat the written and verbal conversations I had with them but suffice to say it wasn't exactly my finest hour. I was just about to vastly increase the incoming BACS payments when Santander stopped showing the references.  I'm so pleased that they started hiding them before I made the move more fully.
Honestly, how can a bank expect a business to function when they won't tell which customers have paid?
In contrast, Co-op do show these references - and even the originating account numbers (not that I need these).
I now have two business accounts for one business.  Santander for cash and cheques.  Co-op for incoming electronic payments.