[james roffey]

Did a wool berber in and EOT flat today  i thought what a stupid choice of  carpet coffee stain in lounge and many other various stains throughout.
I was not happy with the results at all, got alot of dirt out but carpet still looked grubby.
Is this going to be the norm for this type of carpet?

I have had good results on this type before but all of the carpets that i have been less than impressed with have been this type, today i thought hit it hard so Powerburst followed by f and f rinse, result rubbish, so out came the pre spray gold and fibre safe extraction it was cleaner but hardly amazing.
A while ago i tried a bit of m power and f and f rinse with luke warm water that was a good result but it wasn't a minger, a couple of weeks ago i tried ultrapac renovate and quickly extracted with f and f rinse it was a strong mix too hit it hard with heat as well very hard work as it was a minger again nothing fantastic these are the only type of carpets i have ever cleaned twice so with all your years of knowledge what are you guys using bearing in mind i cant use my envirodri on these, i am usually an advocate of using plenty of heat but i may try M power and cold rinse next time as a first attemp  "HELP"  

[adimarsh]

I agree James. These carpets are a right pain. I did one a week ago as an EOT, had a call yesterday to tell me there were "patches" which looked greyish. Went back today to have a look and had to agree with the agent. Blasted the damm thing again (not going to tell you what I did it with or someone will come on and tell me off ) Anyway, looked alot better after the second go. Why do they put these in rental properties?

[derek west]

we use genna (enviro)on these all the time (soft brushes or bob will shout), whats good enough for a vaccuum is good enough for our genna, and if its still looks bad, its usually sock dye transfer near settees and chairs so we M/S bonnet. piece a piece. oh and don't forget ya sod mets.

[james roffey]

I am not sure using the enviro dri will make much difference but will try next time, didn't fancy carrying it up two flights of stairs.
Sod met i am ashamed to say i dont have a clue how to use this stuff, dont remember it on the couple of spot and stain courses i did NCCA and Big clean with Paul Pearce although it was probably covered

[james roffey]

I agree James. These carpets are a right pain. I did one a week ago as an EOT, had a call yesterday to tell me there were "patches" which looked greyish. Went back today to have a look and had to agree with the agent. Blasted the damm thing again (not going to tell you what I did it with or someone will come on and tell me off ) Anyway, looked alot better after the second go. Why do they put these in rental properties?

Sprayed it with neat ultrapac renovate   extracted with f and f rinse very quicly

[adimarsh]

I agree James. These carpets are a right pain. I did one a week ago as an EOT, had a call yesterday to tell me there were "patches" which looked greyish. Went back today to have a look and had to agree with the agent. Blasted the damm thing again (not going to tell you what I did it with or someone will come on and tell me off ) Anyway, looked alot better after the second go. Why do they put these in rental properties?

Sprayed it with neat ultrapac renovate   extracted with f and f rinse very quicly

Naughty

[Ken Wainwright]

My approach, with great success, is to vac the hell out of it, pre-spray hot DFC 105 with 1/2 to 1 scoop Energiser to 6 litres of solution, Envirodri with soft brushes, min. 20 minute dwell and cold water acid rinse.

If it's a REAL minger, I'll also add some Citra Boost to the pre-spray for greasy soiling and agitate with my rotary with a 3M carpet skimming pad.

Soiling rarely a problem. Stains are stains regardless of soiling levels, but the Energiser can help here.

Pilling with the agitation should not be a problem. Talk it through with customer first. If you look carefully, it will have some pilling already which will be more noticeable upon drying anyway.

Safe and happy cleaning
The Ken

[Jim_77]

James your mistake with the ultrapac was to be scared of it!  Give it time!  It won't kill the carpet, don't believe the scare mongering.

Just a few days ago, I cleaned a good quality wool carpet in a lounge where the kids had been plastering it in everything, and then the mum plasters the spills in everything from under the kitchen sink.

I pre-sprayed HD microsplitter (which normally does the trick) over some of it and agitated, nothing, hardly touched it.  Let the TM warm up whilst spraying the other rooms, then went back and gave the lounge a liberal dosing of hot ultrapac at about 1:60.  Then (sorry Robert) gave it hell with the Duo, left it for about 45 minutes whilst extracting the rest of the house. when I got to the lounge it came up like new, I stood there almost in disbelief!

What I'm saying is that sometimes you need to stop fannying about and hit it with the big guns.  With experience you know how far to push the boundaries... how hot, how alkaline, how much dwell, how wet to spray it up etc etc.

Give the next one some welly

[james roffey]

I understand what you are saying but i would be holding my breath waiting for, well i dont know because they say "adverse reaction" whats that the carpet turning pink all i know is i come across these carpets regularly and they are a pain.
I am surprised the dwell time you gave the ultrapac it had not dried completely, think i will get a sample of wool berber and put neat ultrapac on it and see what happens

[derek west]

james
get a sample of a wool carpet with a hessian back on it. then do the test. lots of U.P and lots of dwell time. let me know what happens.

[james roffey]

Why do i get the feeling you know i take it the hessian will react

[Jim_77]

It needed a quick spray over with the wand before extraction but it wasn't completely dried out... because I put quite a bit on!  I dilute ultrapac 1:8 into my hydroforce which then dilutes at roughly 1:8 as well, so it's roughly 1:64 final dilution.  It's much better to mix it a bit weaker and put plenty down rather than less amount of stronger pre-spray.

One thing I must stress that I didn't mention before...  I use a pretty powerful TM with an acidic rinse agent.  Because I cranked it up to 500psi on this carpet and rinsed it very thoroughly, I can be confident that I haven't left any worrying level of residue behind, or left the pH too high.  Further to that, plenty of drying strokes and 20 mins with an airmover whilst packing up means that I've got it feeling almost touch-dry across most of the carpet by the time I leave.  I know I'm not going to get any call-backs

When using a portable it really is imperative not to over-do such a pre-spraying approach because the machine won't have the guts to get the stuff out again.

I thought to myself when driving down the road away from that job.... if I still had my Ninja I'd have been making some excuses rather than enjoying the customer's jaw dropping when she came to look at the result

[markpowell]

Ultrapac is the nuts, been ranting about it years. Normally getting told i should be using other products. It works for me and never caused any damage yet, make sure its diluted properly and rinsed.
Mark

[Shaun_Ashmore]

What's ultrapak?

Shaun