Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Evan on September 16, 2021, 09:02:29 am
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Do you guys charge per panel for con roofs?
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I charge by the time I know it takes to clean
Darran
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I charge by the time I know it takes to clean
Darran
Do you go to look at each one?
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Yes I do - either site visit while I’m quoting or by photos supplied
Many now are repeat customers so I do not need to see those just add 10% to the price 😆
Darran
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Yes I do - either site visit while I’m quoting or by photos supplied
Many now are repeat customers so I do not need to see those just add 10% to the problem ce 😆
Darran
We just have a fixed price of £6 a panel except lean to’s which seems to work. There’s too many and over too wide an area to visit. In fact it’s very rare we’d visit anything now. Perhaps a mansion/hotel or something. Works for us. Staff never complain they’re underpriced but they do tend to be quick. Quicker than I used to be.
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sorry for the last post - auto correct seems to write its own thing sometimes !
on standard Conny's I'm sure it works well - but we do a lot with a pitched roof that falls back to the property - I like to make sure it's accessable and not absolutely minding with lichen
Darran
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also what do you class as a panel ?
Darran
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also what do you class as a panel ?
Darran
All sizes, large and small. Occasionally we’ll get one where we can’t access some panels but very rare. Normally the ones that slope towards the house can be got from sides.
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its not a trick question - what do you say is a panel so you know how many £6 to charge ?
Darran
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its not a trick question - what do you say is a panel so you know how many £6 to charge ?
Darran
It wasn’t a trick answer. All roof panels of any size. The only exception is lean to’s where panel numbers isn’t useful to price. As I say, I can’t think of an occasion where one of the guys has phoned to say a roof is underpriced by that method. We have no choice anyway with the volume of calls from May to September..
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Can’t stand cleaning them anymore and have been pricing accordingly. Have only cleaned I think 2 all year.
Had a look at one yesterday, a large glass ‘P’ shaped that also slopes back to the house. Declined to quote for it but if you were charging £6/panel on this you’d be miles out.
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Can’t stand cleaning them anymore and have been pricing accordingly. Have only cleaned I think 2 all year.
Had a look at one yesterday, a large glass ‘P’ shaped that also slopes back to the house. Declined to quote for it but if you were charging £6/panel on this you’d be miles out.
Same,
I’ve only done one this year, small polycarbonate roof, charged £120.
Too many window cleaning jobs to get done, so why faff about with conny roofs at cheap as chips prices 🤔
I rarely get the jobs anymore, as just too expensive, but that suits me, I don’t enjoy doing them.
I suppose it’s a different story if you’re after more work/employ.
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Can’t stand cleaning them anymore and have been pricing accordingly. Have only cleaned I think 2 all year.
Had a look at one yesterday, a large glass ‘P’ shaped that also slopes back to the house. Declined to quote for it but if you were charging £6/panel on this you’d be miles out.
And yet it works for us. ;)
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I'm with Darran,
You usually have a good idea of how long it's going to take, just use your hourly rate and go from there.
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Do you guys charge per panel for con roofs?
I don’t really think you can have a set price per panel there are so many variables evan at £10 per panel some jobs wouldn’t be viable , we always look at the job or get customers to send photos , prices range from £100 for a small polycarbonate roof to £800 for big ones .
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i priced one up the other week for an existing customer..a large clear glass pitched roof....ladders needed to pole the back part of it too...i went in at £300 as i said it would take me all day......he politely declined.....i dont think he ll ask me again! ;) ;D
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whatever system you feel is best for you and your happy to get a smaller return for the more challenging jobs,
the reason I asked about panels is I have 2 Conny cleans where they run from the eves of the house down to head hight at 30 around degrees - each panel (8 of them) is approx 5meters long - I would like more than £48
then there is the question of finials and the guttering and wash the windows.
Darran
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whatever system you feel is best for you and your happy to get a smaller return for the more challenging jobs,
the reason I asked about panels is I have 2 Conny cleans where they run from the eves of the house down to head hight at 30 around degrees - each panel (8 of them) is approx 5meters long - I would like more than £48
then there is the question of finials and the guttering and wash the windows.
Darran
I did say lean to’s weren’t included in the price if it’s a lean to. It’s a question of time though. This summer we grew net by 850 jobs. Pricing by any means other than a price menu isn’t an option.
We very often change the pricing on the day because a house isn’t straightforward, but very rarely for conservatories. Besides, there might be the odd one that’s underpriced, but there will be many more where they are really easy.
So it’s a question of needs must.
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i priced one up the other week for an existing customer..a large clear glass pitched roof....ladders needed to pole the back part of it too...i went in at £300 as i said it would take me all day......he politely declined.....i dont think he ll ask me again! ;) ;D
And now he knows how much you earn a day. Next thing you'll know is you're sacked for earning more than him 👍
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i priced one up the other week for an existing customer..a large clear glass pitched roof....ladders needed to pole the back part of it too...i went in at £300 as i said it would take me all day......he politely declined.....i dont think he ll ask me again! ;) ;D
And now he knows how much you earn a day. Next thing you'll know is you're sacked for earning more than him 👍
When I used to go out to quote, I used to price based on how long I’d take. When you employ, that becomes very difficult because every one I employ when up to speed is way quicker than me. If I priced something at £200 I’d make sure it took all morning. Employees will just finish when they’re done.
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not to argue with you but your changing what you say - NO ONE would describe these conservatories as Lean to's
if I had quoted a price then thats the price they pay no arriving and changing when I get the unless it was clearly an ESTIMATE
if you quoted a job for £200 and expected it to take 4 hours and they did it in 3 or even 2 - so what ? everyones a winner surely ?
I have a job sheet for each job with a time to complete - they 99 times out of a hundred complete inside this time - they then go onto another job or window cleaning - or thats there only job for the day - sometimes its nice to give the lads a short working day - it doesn't cost me anything
Darran
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not to argue with you but your changing what you say - NO ONE would describe these conservatories as Lean to's
if I had quoted a price then thats the price they pay no arriving and changing when I get the unless it was clearly an ESTIMATE
if you quoted a job for £200 and expected it to take 4 hours and they did it in 3 or even 2 - so what ? everyones a winner surely ?
I have a job sheet for each job with a time to complete - they 99 times out of a hundred complete inside this time - they then go onto another job or window cleaning - or thats there only job for the day - sometimes its nice to give the lads a short working day - it doesn't cost me anything
Darran
I suspect it’s a scale thing and I’m sure it works for you. If we went to quote every job in the size of area we cover we’d be quoting all day every day. It’s not practical for us and it works just fine.
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i'm sure it is a scale thing - I cover only an area of 50 square miles - but thats my role to quote every day :)
for me its about maximizing the return per job, using a standardised quote system would result in approx 30% income loss (based on your £6 a panel) for the majority or work
(edited: as I missed the word loss !)
Darran
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i'm sure it is a scale thing - I cover only an area of 50 square miles - but thats my role to quote every day :)
for me its about maximizing the return per job, using a standardised quote system would result in approx 30% income (based on your £6 a panel) for the majority or work
Darran
We charge about £90 on average a conservatory roof. Most are about 14 panels. If you’re getting £270 on average I take my hat off to you. On average I would guess they take an hour. I can only dream of £270 an hour.
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where do you get £270 from ?
Darran
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where do you get £270 from ?
Darran
Your figures. You said you’d only get 30% of your income if you only charged £6 per panel. I rounded it to 33% and multiplied our average of £90 by three. Perhaps I’ve misread what you wrote.
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sorry, 30% loss - not get 30%
my bad for cr@ppy typing skills ;D
Darran
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sorry, 30% loss - not get 30%
my bad for cr@ppy typing skills ;D
Darran
Ah…. I’m sure we could charge more for some. But we’re pretty clear on our leaflets that prices assume nothing unusual although people often don’t read the small print.
But our leaflet pricing isn’t a guaranteed price. We’ll put prices up on the day if we need to. Or not do a job if it’s too awkward on the day. For example turf growing out of gutters over a conny, or hedgehogs in gutters etc. I don’t have this matter of honour thing. We’ll walk if we don’t like it.
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its not a matter of honour - its about a quote which ( and I believe is still correct ) are allowed to change the price - an estimate is just that a guide price subject to change
personally I wouldn't want the fuss of changing a price on the day ( maybe different if I was still on the tools ) or wasting the time walking away
Darran
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its not a matter of honour - its about a quote which ( and I believe is still correct ) are allowed to change the price - an estimate is just that a guide price subject to change
personally I wouldn't want the fuss of changing a price on the day ( maybe different if I was still on the tools ) or wasting the time walking away
Darran
We have a price list with disclaimers so it’s probably neither a quote nor an estimate in that sense. It’s easy enough to change on the day if it’s not right, but very rarely- if at all does the price not work for us on conservatories. Worst case there’s an access issue and we can’t reach every panel. Might be because we need to get next door for example and we just clean the Windows and rebook the conservatory for next time.
There is the very rare one where the roof slopes towards the house and there’s no side access. We would just not do it or by agreement just clean the panels we can.
The main point is we just don’t have the capability to quote anything in the flesh. I’ve a guy dealing with all enquiries full time now and he does go out and look at very large commercials. I wouldn’t bother myself last year or the year before. We were overwhelmed and it wasn’t worth the time for me. I’d just in those circumstances give an actual estimate based on photos to be confirmed on the day.