Clean It Up
UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: the king on July 18, 2021, 08:55:23 pm
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hi im just wandering what pressure washers you lads are using im using a 15lpm 250 bar loncin from rutland pumps im looking at a up grade next year as the pressure washing has took off more than i thought now do i go big or do a small upgrade ie 21lmp 200 bar or 22lpm 250 bar . i only do domistic but some big ish jobs or do i go 25lpm + ???
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Ive never needed anything bigger than 21 LPM @ 200 BAR
and if your mainly domestics then this will be ideal
3 x Honda gx 390 - interpump ws202 - all going well over the last 7 yers
4 x Loncins of the equivalent to the above - ranging from 6 months to 3 years ( only the rutland pumps one have had issues )
Darran
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I’ve had:
15lpm
21lpm
And now 23lpm, all 3000psi.
This is the seeey spot for me, but 21lpm is all that’s needed in reality.
I only have 23lpm for long use with the FSC and it does make a small difference. I had a giant block paved car park to do, so the extra 2 lpm helped (well it helped in my head ;D)
Otherwise 21lpm is plenty.
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I’ve used every size pump as well from 15lt/min to the 40lt/min I use now. I would never go back to using anything less than 40lt/min. But it has its drawbacks, you need a big water tank in the van so you need a bigger van. bigger machine clean quicker they run a FSC more effectively and rinse down quicker
But most peoples opinion of the best machine is often (coincidently) the machine they use, hence my view that 40lt/min is best, if I use a 21lt/min machine I bet I would be singing the praise of that set up
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I have no doubt that a Thor machine would beat the Honda hands down, and if doing nothing but really heavy commercial/industrial thats what I would go for...
but the op is general/residential so no need for that great big 40 LPM
Darran
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All I clean is domestic driveways and patios, it make no difference if it’s concrete on a house drive or a gas terminal they still clean the same.
Bigger machine are quicker so you can do more work (if you have the work booked in) but also the big driveways on millionaire Row aren’t as scary looking
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Of course there is a difference ::)roll
That's like saying all stains are the same...
Your happy with your drain jetter - that's not a problem, trouble is you spend as much time waiting to fill up as doing the job, unless your plumbed into a hydrant....
Try not to be so abrasive mike, you take others opinions and experiences too personally
Darran
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Sorry if my comment sounded abrasive it was not my intention ;)
I tend to arrive with a full tank900lts so once I hook up to the customers tap I never have to wait, that why I stated earlier you need a big tank if you are going to use a bigger pump
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You can't rely on customers pressure being good enough - 75% of our work is 2 man so running 42 ltr s a minute even with 1000 ltr s start a third of the time we will be out of water after 45 mins to an hour - yes you've covered a large amount, but then kick your heels while waiting for water - I use a standpipe quite regularly to prevent this and at 21 ltr s you rarely have to stop so overall it can be quicker
Darran
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That's interesting you had issues with the loncin from Rutland pumps what problems did you have smudger
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Falling apart - crankcase nuts coming undone and dumping oil both machines
Long story, and Rutland not very supportive is as much as I could return to them and wait to what loncin had to say as regards to fault.
I tracked it down to 2 things - undersized key in the drive shaft and the nyloc nuts that hold the p/w to the lower plate either coming undone or not being done up when assembled
I had both stripped down, checked and rebuilt and running ok now - I think next time I could build one myself ;D
Darran
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Falling apart - crankcase nuts coming undone and dumping oil both machines
Long story, and Rutland not very supportive is as much as I could return to them and wait to what loncin had to say as regards to fault.
I tracked it down to 2 things - undersized key in the drive shaft and the nyloc nuts that hold the p/w to the lower plate either coming undone or not being done up when assembled
I had both stripped down, checked and rebuilt and running ok now - I think next time I could build one myself ;D
Darran
Hummmmm Ime surprised at that we get all our stuff of Ben and always found him spot on and helpful although we don’t have loncin engines .
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Always been good in the past - but not this time sadly
Darran
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Exactly the same as darrans last post
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Were do you recermend to order from ive had no issues with mine so far so not had to test Rutland pumps after care but im open to trying somewhere else with a good rep
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Where do you live? I think you can’t beat buying local, so if you do have a problem you can call in and speak with them face to face
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Im South Devon not a lot down this way i ordered from Rutland as i heard they were the place to go
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You can't rely on customers pressure being good enough - 75% of our work is 2 man so running 42 ltr s a minute even with 1000 ltr s start a third of the time we will be out of water after 45 mins to an hour - yes you've covered a large amount, but then kick your heels while waiting for water - I use a standpipe quite regularly to prevent this and at 21 ltr s you rarely have to stop so overall it can be quicker
Darran
When you say a stand pipe Darran, are you taking water from a hydrant? If so did you get a license for that?
I’ve always wanted to take water from hydrants when pressure washing as water pressure is notoriously low round my way…
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You can't rely on customers pressure being good enough - 75% of our work is 2 man so running 42 ltr s a minute even with 1000 ltr s start a third of the time we will be out of water after 45 mins to an hour - yes you've covered a large amount, but then kick your heels while waiting for water - I use a standpipe quite regularly to prevent this and at 21 ltr s you rarely have to stop so overall it can be quicker
Darran
When you say a stand pipe Darran, are you taking water from a hydrant? If so did you get a license for that?
I’ve always wanted to take water from hydrants when pressure washing as water pressure is notoriously low round my way…
Yes you get a stand pipe from the water company with a water meter fitted to it and they bill you , fire hydrants arnt normally allowed to be used its the service valves that are used , but it’s a good option if there are ones within a short distance of the job or doing stuff like supermarket car parks
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What he said ;D
Basically any larger jobs I get a standpipe (after testing available supply) then add the cost to the customer
Darran
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What’s the cost per 1000l? Ish?
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I have know idea - Anglian water ask what I am using the water for and duration - usually a day and they charge for a days hire - I don't get a bill for the volume of water - the standpipe is just put back on the rack
standpipe is £180 + VAT
Darran
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Water per cubic metre is charged around £1.77 inclusive of VAT.
Take into account that the majority of hydrant hires are through Aquam Water Corps and they will expect you to have CALM Network Training, which is an online test, pretty easy and common sense.
On top of the hydrant hire, plus water usage you may want to opt for delivery & collection, £40.00 either way.
Not all water companies run through Aquam..
Got one on hire from South West Water via Aquam at the minute.
Used an Anglian one recently and they aren't through Aquam (is that right Darran?) and you will collect.
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That's how it was ( haven't needed a standpipe since early part of last year ) but yes I ring up then collect from Norwich
Darran